[TADSLOS]

...back in the good old days, before Islam.

[blam]

I wonder when they will stop saying that Mesopotamia is the site of the beginning of civilization? This recent find beats Mesopotamia by a few thousand years.

Lost Civilisation From 7,500 BC Discovered Off Indian Coast
That's 9,500 years old!

[Billthedrill]

But Al-Azm and Gibson argue that the turning point in the development of civilization was not cities and writing originating in Mesopotamia, as commonly held, but deep changes in social structure that happened in more than one place at once.

They're probably right, but if you change the definition of what constitutes civilization you shouldn't be surprised if the inception date gets pushed back a bit as a result, or if the place of origin gets adjusted a bit.

Cities and writing are secondary measures at best. Beer is the signal characteristic of civilization. Can there be said to be civilization without beer? I thought not.

[RightWhale]

What surer sign of civilization can there be? Show me a clerk's rubber stamp and I will agree you have found a civilization.

[aristeides]

FYI.

[Don Myers]

bttt

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[SunkenCiv]

I got a Mellaart title from the library (published in 1965) in order to scan a photo of this artifact. It's a plte, presumably used to serve or eat food, not too bad lookin', and in good condition for 7000 years old. BTTT on this topic.

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[SunkenCiv]

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Homo sapiens has been around for almost 200,000 years.

You could speculate that urban life has been around a lot longer than 10,000 years. But what would they have left behind that was durable enough for us to find now, and if they did, where would we look?

All the good seaside sites are under water now.

[SunkenCiv]

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