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Somalis find a new home, new struggles in Minnesota
Baltimore Sun ^ | June 2, 2002 | Scott Calvert

Posted on 06/02/2002 7:31:54 AM PDT by sarcasm

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

MINNEAPOLIS -- Every morning a dozen or so men -- always men -- sip pricey coffee under the green umbrellas and chat in a tongue that is both guttural and singsong. They talk of their ravaged homeland and of this, their adopted home.

Except for the Starbucks sign, the cafe on Riverside Avenue could pass for a social club for the state's growing Somali community, the largest in the country and one that is feeling increasingly embattled.


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1 posted on 06/02/2002 7:31:54 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
The Stone Age meets the 21st century. Don't we have enough home grown 'dumb-s#its' here already?
2 posted on 06/02/2002 7:38:40 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Please, we must celebrate diversity.
3 posted on 06/02/2002 7:48:22 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
The ugly, stupid tone running through this whole article is that these Somalis - on the very verge of being inconvenienced by the war on terrorism - must now be coddled, cuddled, and suckled by the American people.

What ever happened to the idea that these people are about one thousand percent better off here than they would be in Somalia? What about the fact that we don't owe the Somalis anything other than simple human decency - which is ably demonstrated being present throughout the otherwise hand-wringing tone of the above article?

4 posted on 06/02/2002 7:54:00 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: sarcasm
Welcome to the good old US of A; The trash can for the third world garbage.
5 posted on 06/02/2002 7:57:19 AM PDT by scouse
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To: sarcasm
One of my patients is a Somali woman about 30 years of age. She tells some very interesting stories about being abducted at an early age from Ethiopia by Somalians and being separated from her family. She apparently was raised Christian (if I remember correctly) and was then forced to marry a Muslim Somali and to convert to Islam. She has many memories of rape and sexual abuse and ultimately was somehow able to flee to this country. She is now separated from her family of origin and has a remaining child in Somalia. She has become psychotic discussing some of this material and functions marginally in this community essentially on public assistance.
6 posted on 06/02/2002 8:02:53 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: scouse
Of course, like good little slaves, we can NEVER, EVER even BEGIN to talk about the wonderful people who inflicted all of this wonderful "diversity" and "tolerance" and "multiculturalism" and "equality" upon our world. Nope, can't ever say a single word about them.

In any despotism the slaves can criticize anybody they want to except for the despot. And here, well, it's pretty obvious now, isn't it.

7 posted on 06/02/2002 8:05:57 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Agree with you 100%, and the longer we wait the harder it becomes to do anything about it.
8 posted on 06/02/2002 8:15:21 AM PDT by scouse
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To: sarcasm
the Minneapolis Police Department will hold a Somali "cultural awareness program" for officers this month.

"We have a lot of work to do," conceded Mayor R.T. Rybak.

Well, it looks like another minority is not going to have to obey the law anyone.

9 posted on 06/02/2002 8:19:27 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: blam
They've taken over the Mpls airport.
10 posted on 06/02/2002 8:20:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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and functions marginally in this community essentially on public assistance

I wonder how much this entire boondoggle is costing the taxpayers.

11 posted on 06/02/2002 8:25:11 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Minnesota has long given immigrants new starts, dating to the 1800s with Germans, Scandinavians and Irish. Eastern Europeans displaced by World War II arrived in the 1940s.

Nothing was "given" to these immigrants...not only was there no welfare state, but in the 1800's there was barely a state at all. These people MADE Minnesota and the surrounding states out of prairie grass and snow drifts. Immigrants today are absolutely blessed.

"Some African-Americans don't accept us as black since they've been in slavery and all," Abu explained.

Ain't that a kick in the head. Shall we talk about current north African slavery?

12 posted on 06/02/2002 8:29:46 AM PDT by Hotline
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To: sarcasm
The Somalis are pissed because the Feds closed Barakaat (the terror related hawala or money transfer service) in Mpls and they have no way of depositing their tax free earnings beyond IRS scrutiny.
13 posted on 06/02/2002 8:36:35 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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I'm sure that they would never intentionally evade taxes. You must understand that there are different cultures involved here and we must show greater understanding.
14 posted on 06/02/2002 8:41:54 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: Hotline
And just so we know that not all is lost, there is hope...

Lost Boys graduate
By Tom Pantera
The Forum - 06/02/2002

Like most new high school graduates, Alfred Ngong and Abraham Deng have possibility stretching before them.

Ngong graduates from West Fargo High School today, Deng from Moorhead High School. Both plan to start college in the fall. Ngong will train as a civil engineer at North Dakota State University, and Deng will go to Minnesota State University Moorhead; he hasn’t decided on a career, although he’s considering something in medicine.

They have a whole, big world out there to see. But some would say they’ve already seen too much of it.

The two 19-year-olds are Lost Boys, Sudanese orphans who trekked across two countries ravaged by civil war. They survived by their wits, taking care of each other, and saw friends killed by bullets, floodwaters and wild animals before finally landing in refugee camps.

When they finally were brought to America, many of the Lost Boys were placed with foster families. But Ngong and Deng are unusual even by Lost Boy standards; they came here as legal adults and have lived on their own the whole time with no parents – foster, surrogate or otherwise.

While many a high-school kid dreams of independence, the Lost Boys know the reality.

“It was really hard,” Ngong says. He found a part-time job at Menard’s, but three days a week that meant a full day of school followed by a full evening of work – and that would be followed by homework. He often didn’t get to bed until 3 a.m.

His situation eased a little when an anonymous benefactor started paying his rent. But he still needed wages for bills and food.

For Deng, living on his own was no big deal. “It cannot affect me, because that’s (what) I (was) used to before,” he says. “I started when I was 6 years old. I can stay alone without a father, because I get used to (it).”

Both boys got some education in Africa, but the schools were rudimentary at best. The teachers were poorly trained, supplies were often unavailable and discipline was harsh. “Even if you miss class for a good reason, you get beaten sometimes,” Ngong says.

Still, both hungered for a real education. In fact, Deng was drawn to Moorhead by the quality of the high school.

“Education is the backbone of human life,” he says. “If I don’t go to school, how can I survive? I can work by my hands, manual work, which is not a proper job for me. What will be my future tomorrow? I care about tomorrow, that’s why I go to school.

“I prepare my future now. I don’t want my future to be the way I am now. I want to change that lifestyle.”

Ngong says one of the first things he wanted to do after settling here was continue his education. “I have to do something good, for people I’m living among and for people back home in Africa,” he says.

Entering an American high school took some adjustment, but Ngong kept his perspective. “It was difficult, but it was not as difficult compared to the life I had in Africa,” he says.

It was sometimes hard to hear fellow students air relatively mundane gripes about things like disagreements with parents.

“I sometimes explained to a couple of my friends that you really don’t know how it is like to go without parents and live alone, doing everything alone,” says Ngong, who was orphaned at 4. “I used to tell some of my friends, but not often.”

Deng has had the same kind of conversations.

“I talked to those who are friends to me,” he says. “When they ask me, I’ll talk plain to them and then they can understand where I come from.”

Still, he understands that some of his friends who complain about their parents don’t understand what it’s like to be an orphan.

Betty Reyerson, the ESL teacher at West Fargo High School, says the Lost Boys’ work ethic is “unbelievable. I have never seen Alfred waste five minutes in school. If anything, he gets impatient with kids that waste time.”

And that doesn’t just apply in school. Reyerson, who along with Kathy Scott, a colleague, has become close to Alfred and his two cousins, once had the boys over to do some yard work. They wouldn’t stop for lunch.

“They said it was dishonorable to the family name to be lazy when they worked in refugee camps,” she said.

The Reyersons’ connection with Alfred and the other lost boys has gone far beyond the professional.

“(Today), it will be a wonderful but a hard day for me to see him graduate,” she says.

For all the differences between life back home and life here, Africa is never very far away.

It affected Ngong’s choice of a career, in fact.

He decided to become a civil engineer because he watched some Lost Boys drown as they tried to cross a swollen river to escape pursuing Ethiopian troops.

“If there was a bridge across that river,” he says, his eyes taking on a faraway look, “the kids would have crossed it easily. Maybe I’ll do some construction, where some roads and some things are needed.”

If it sounds like the Lost Boys are all work and no play … well, there’s at least a little bit of truth to that. They don’t talk much about having fun.

“We don’t have fun at all,” Deng says. “We go home and we start (studying). We think that fun is a wasting of time.”

15 posted on 06/02/2002 8:49:14 AM PDT by Hotline
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Black Americans were brought to North America as slaves, suffered indignity and discrimination, yet despite that contributed enormously to the United States. When these Somali immigrants, who have come to the United States voluntarily as economic refugees, make even one-hundreth of the contribution Black Americans have made, then and only then, will they have the privilege of opening their mouths. Until then, shut up, or leave, please.
16 posted on 06/02/2002 9:02:47 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
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To: sarcasm
America being further diluted with Somali imbeciles who have a big cow-chip on their shoulders!

This freaking diversity is killing this nation and is going to have to be reversed and these malcontents shipped back to the land of their birth!

17 posted on 06/02/2002 9:05:26 AM PDT by elcaudillo
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They should set the example for the rest of Black Americans who hate this country because its soooo oppressive to uneducated dimwits and leave! Go back to the motherland and live happily eating dead goat ticks off each other, and complain how Starbucks destroyed thier lives!
18 posted on 06/02/2002 9:06:42 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: sarcasm
= said Omar Jamal, a 28-year-old microbiologist turned activist who runs the Somali Justice Advocacy Center in St. Paul.

How about him taking his black ass back to Somalia and working on Somali Justice there?

20 posted on 06/02/2002 9:27:37 AM PDT by skraeling
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