Photos of Lindh Ordered Destroyed

LA times ^ | June 1, 2002 | RICHARD A. SERRANO, TIMES STAFF WRITER

[EggsAckley]

ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- The federal government acknowledged Friday that an untold number of U.S. military service members took "souvenir" photographs of John Walker Lindh during the first days of his captivity, but it added that the images were destroyed because they were taken without military approval.

Randy L. Bellows, an assistant U.S. attorney, made the acknowledgment during a hearing in federal court here in which Lindh's defense attorneys had hoped to obtain copies of the photographs and videos. The defense sought to use them as potential evidence that Lindh was intimidated and coerced into making allegedly incriminating statements to U.S. authorities after he was captured late last year fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan.

[Orion]

He renounced his citizenship when he took up arms against America.

A government that can grant citizenship can surely take it away when it's been shown that the person involved is dangerous to the country.

It seems that we are going around and around about his citizenship status. Could you provide any story in the lamestream media that he is no longer a citizen? The gov't is still treating him as a citizen. Why? It seems so open-and-shut that a layman like you could spot how he had his citizenship revoked, but our entire gov't has seemed to overlook the one barrier from making him a prisoner in Gitmo. Hmmmmmm......Could you cite for me the federal law governing the revoking of citizenship? Absent that, we will go on the assumption that he is a US citizen and entitled to a fair trial IAW our Constitution.

Why do you seem to gravitate toward the 'all powerful' view of gov't? Gov't has to live within the law. Deal with it.

[McGavin999]

Well, we'll just see won't we. Since I didn't see anyplace where you were suddenly made God, then your opinion isn't any more informed then mine. Perhaps the Supremes will sort this out.

BTW, read your passport.

[McGavin999]

Washington, DC ­ A federal judge in Tampa Florida has revoked the U.S. citizenship of Adolph Milius (aka Adolphas Millinavicius), formerly of St. Petersburg, Florida because he assisted in the persecution of Jews in Vilnius, Lithuania during World War II.

A federal judge has revokes the citizenship of John Demjanjuk, ruling that the retired Cleveland autoworker lied about being a Nazi death camp guard when he immigrated to the United States. The decision follows a trial that ended last spring. From WKSU's Cleveland studios, Kevin Niedermier reports.

Gee, I guess these federal judges didn't you that you can't revoke citizenship.

[Orion]

Was his citizenship revoked for actions taken as a citizen or for a fraudulant applicaion for citizenship?

Again, why is the gov't treating Walker as a citizen?

Answer: they have to.

[Orion]

BTW, read your passport.

BTW, revoking a passport is not the same as revoking a citizenship. This is done all the time to prevent flight risk. OJ had his passport revoked, but he remained a citizen.

[McGavin999]

Notice that I gave you two examples. There are numerous other instances, go see for yourself. I'm not your research assistant. He is only a citizen until a judge decides otherwise. They may treat him like a citizen now, but his sentence could well be the revokation of citizenship. IMO that's exactly what it should be. He should never be permitted to step foot in America again.

[Orion]

I believe that you must enlist in the army of a foreign state (Isreal exempted for political reasons) to lose your citizenship. Walker joined a criminal organization, not the Afghan army, or our govt' would be treating all the "detainees" at Gitmo as POWs.

Our gov't would never want it both ways...Nope, not here in the good ol USA. We ALWAYS abide by the law.

[McGavin999]

They are not citizens, he is, or at least is was. I think it's going to be up for grabs on whether or not he can lose his citizenship. He fired on members of the US Military. He took part in an uprising at Mazar-e-shariff, he could have surrendered to the US agent when he was being questioned. He fired on the US Military AFTER he had the opportunity to surrender. He can't say he was not aware he was fighting against America since US Military represents America.

You can apologize for him all you want. It doesn't make him any less dispicable. I still want him to lose his citizenship and be deported. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.

[McGavin999]

Oh, BTW, neither of the two cases I showed you had their citizenship revoked for fighting in a foreign army.

[Orion]

You have not figured it out, have you? I don't apologize for Walker in any way. I only want our gov't to abide by the laws when Dems run things and when Pubbies run things. I am scared spitless about a gov't that tries to have it both ways, and statist fools that cheer them on.

You were exposed as a statist on another thread. I was in the patriot column. At least you are consistent.

If the law did not matter, I would be with all of you and dreaming up tortures and show trials for this bum. That is for Marxist regimes. Here, it is the law that matters.

I thought we had that all ironed out during the Clinton years...

[McGavin999]

Oh, I think the only thing that was "proven" on the other thread is some people have such a need to be right that they are willing to overlook reason. They don't research, they don't study, they just opin.

No point in arguing with people like that, they just have such a terrible need to feel superior. I guess it comes from always being disappointed that things can't always be perfect.

Arguing with them is a total waste of time. I'm sure you won't be surprised when I don't bother to answer any more of your posts.

[Orion]

Sorry the facts confused you. Won't let it happen again.

[Sandy]

A government that can grant citizenship can surely take it away when it's been shown that the person involved is dangerous to the country.

Wasn't Lindh born in this country? If so, then the government didn't "grant" him citizenship; according to the 14th Amendment, he was born with it. And the government has no authority to expatriate him against his will. Check the case law. Try Afroyim v. Rusk.

[McGavin999]

So, you're saying that some citizens are more equal than others? If you are a natural born citizen you get more privilages then one of those imported kind? You can't do anything reprehensable enough to get booted out but a naturalized one can?

Think about it.

[Sandy]

That's correct.

[McGavin999]

How Un-American of you. Ta ta

[philetus]

To lax treatment in Cuba?

[Sandy]

You can't do anything reprehensable enough to get booted out but a naturalized one can?

BTW, I think that naturalized citizens can only lose citizenship that was gained fraudulently.