WHO REALLY BENEFITS FROM THE ECO-WHACKO'S ACTIVITIES?

I was recently thinking of the "environmental movement" in the context of following the money and came to some interesting conclusions. Let's start off with the anti-oil crowd. Since the early 1970's they have been attempting to block exploration for new sources of oil. They protested drilling on the North Slope of AK fiercely, but after having just gotten a taste of OPEC's formation, and having shortages of fuel; even Congress failed to bow to their will. Since then they have had much more success. For decades they have blocked further drilling in the same area, now known as ANWAR. Who benefits from their success? Do the caribou? Nope, they like drilling; more specifically they like pipelines. It gives them an area thousands of miles long that has a longer growing season for the moss and such that they live on. Do the polar bears and wolves benefit from less drilling? Nope; the northern predators enjoy the larger supply of prey animals; i.e. caribou. Do consumers benefit? Hardly; our prices are artificially inflated due to an artificially low supply. Do the "evil" oil companies benefit from restricted supply and higher prices? Nope; at true market prices, which would be lower, the oil companies could get away with slightly higher mark-ups, thus getting more return on their investments. The North Slope natives don't benefit either; those who have oil field jobs live well, those that do not live poorly. There are not many jobs up there and oil jobs pay well, others; if they can be found pay little. Given the prices of things up there (due to shipping costs) a $20/hr job is barely cost-effective.

So, it would seem no one benefits from the eco-whacko's prevention of drilling for domestic oil. But wait, where is most of our oil coming from now? Who indeed; OPEC! By preventing new drilling for our own oil we have given OPEC a virtual monopoly. We are forced to buy their oil at whatever price they decide to charge! I would not be surprised to find that many of the "environmental" groups get sizable contributions from Saudi Arabia. The Saudi's couldn't have found a better group to fund if they want to increase their profits. Nor could they have found a more compatible ally.

Interestingly enough, these same nations who have gotten a virtual monopoly, thanks to the eco-whacko, help fund Al Quida. A case could be made that these "environmental" groups had a large role in funding 9-11 due to their insistence that we buy most of our oil from nations which helped to fund Al Quida.

It is not just oil that the eco-whackos tie our hands on; one of the things they forced through the EPA was emission standards for coal fired power plants. One of the results of this was to cause many of these plants to have to use more expensive and harder to find low sulfur coal. The second largest supply of this type of coal is in Indonesia, owned by the Riady family. You remember the Riady's, don't you? This was the family who (illegally) funded Clinton for most of his career. For years this family had almost a monopoly on low sulfur coal, and the eco-whacko forced us to buy it. Then the largest known supply of this clean burning coal was discovered in UT, in the Grand Tetons. Before it could be mined, thus destroying the monopoly of the Riady's, President Clinton declared the area a National Monument. This will ensure that we pay higher prices for Indonesian coal, and electricity from coal plants for decades to come.

For all the talk from these people of "clean energy sources", they fight any attempt that comes along. Recently a wind farm was proposed off the coast of Boston. Are the oil companies fighting this? Nope. Who is sponsoring legislation to kill the plan for this clean power? Sen. Kennedy! What is the excuse? Well, maybe a bird will be stupid enough to fly into the blades. We have some wind mills just northwest of Milwaukee, and I drove past them the other day. Even with pretty strong winds, those blades were turning slowly. A bird would have to be pretty stupid to fly into them. I could make a case that these wind farms would help the bird populations by eliminating the most stupid of them before they can breed. Any bird stupid enough to fly into a wind mill will have the sort of offspring that will attempt to fly directly into your house via your closed window (I have seen this happen; generally it freaks out the cats and often kills the bird). Should we ban windows because of the stupidest of the birds? Even "solar farms" in the desert get protested. What is the excuse? It might upset the "delicate" balance of the desert! There is nothing delicate about the desert; the plants and animals there are some of the toughest in the world. Hydro-electric? Forget it; they will find some fish or minnow or clam that they think wouldn't like it.

The one "clean" idea they don't protest is electric cars. Yet, this is far from a "clean" idea. The electricity has to be generated, by burning something, then it has to be distributed, then stored in batteries, then converted to motion. At every step of the way some energy is lost, thus requiring even more fuel to be burned to produce a single revolution of the wheels. Now add the extra weight of the power source and batteries. I'd guess that to drive my pick-up after converting it to electric would use 30% more fuel.

However, this points out the lie that the eco-whacko live. They don't want clean power; they want all our power to come from other nations (if we are allowed to have any power sources at all), putting us at risk of embargos and shortages. This drives up the price of all goods and services. I really wonder where their funding comes from. We now know who benefits from their antics.

"Do the "evil" oil companies benefit from restricted supply and higher prices? Nope; at true market prices, which would be lower, the oil companies could get away with slightly higher mark-ups, thus getting more return on their investments."

Huh? The costs of production of the oil companies are unaffected by the price of the oil. So, if the price of oil goes up, the producing oil companies make more money. Now, the producing oil companies sell the oil to the marketing end and that end may have to go with a lower mark up. I believe though anymore, the gasoline marketers make more money with their convenience stores than they do selling gasoline. It's like movie theaters. They don't make money from showing movies, they make it from selling popcorn and soda pop.

"So, it would seem no one benefits from the eco-whacko's prevention of drilling for domestic oil. But wait, where is most of our oil coming from now? Who indeed; OPEC! By preventing new drilling for our own oil we have given OPEC a virtual monopoly. We are forced to buy their oil at whatever price they decide to charge! I would not be surprised to find that many of the "environmental" groups get sizable contributions from Saudi Arabia."

He's on to something here, but he needs to look at the oil companies. The dirty little secret is that there has been a surplus of oil for a century and for decades the oil companies have been trying to restrict the supply in order to push up the price. Their success in pushing up the price has stimulated the search for more supplies, which continues the oil surplus. Oil companies are known to have given millions to the enviro-whacko organizations.

We will see the reason for the enviro-movement when the inevitable fall of the US dollar begins.The US gov't has been expropriating lands from private hands for years under the guise of protecting the environment.This land and it's assets(oil,lumber,etc.)will be the property of the US gov't,which will then lease the land to foreign interests as repayment for our debts.Last I knew,we were running a $billion per day current account defecit

Hopefully one of these days we will be able to track the funding from the Opecker Princes to the Elite Enviral Princes who control the Enviral organizations in America.

Since the days of Jimmy Carter, the envirals have been working 24/7/365 to make us more dependent on Opecker Oil.

The most recent example was the blatant effort where the Enviral Poster Boys/Girls. Tommy Da$$hole and the usual other Enviral Poster Boy/Girl Senators again were successful in preventing us from drilling in ANWR. The people who benefited from us continuing our dependence on Opecker oil is one group, the Opecker Princes and the Islamic thugs who control Iran/Iraq/Syria.

Each increase in Opecker Oil dependence sends more of our Petro $'s over to the Opecker Princes and Islamic thugs to finance more Islamic Terrorism in the Middle East and in America.

The Enviral Nazis are anti America/American in 99.9% of their activities. They are a far more clear and present danger to our economy and our safety than the al Qaeda thugs. The al Qaeda thugs take years to be able to harm us. The Enviral Nazis thugs harm us every day with their anti energy schemes and rural cleansing schemes (another subject of terror against rural Americans created, finance and managed by our enviral thugs).

You should also look into the Clinton Admin's EPA and its role in closing down the last remaining U.S. miner of rare earth ore. As I recall the place was raided by armed agents. A dispute over endangered desert tortoises was (as I recall) part of the excuse. The company was bending over backward to "comply" but was having trouble in some areas. Again, as I recall, there was an accidental spill of a small amount of toxic chemicals.

Anyway, guess where the only other source of these ores happens to be?...Indonesia, uh huh, and with Riady interest.

Perhaps some other freeper with a better memory can fill in the blanks.

--Boris

A lot of the enviromental wackos are not just anti-US, they are anti-human. They see humans as a disease on the planet. They are simply unwilling to accept reality. They want a world that never existed and never will exist, and they are willing to sacrifice all of us in their unending fight to create the impossible. They want the beautiful, violence free world where predators don't kill other animals, where all of nature is peacefull and freindly, where the noble savage has free sex and picks free big macs from the friendly big-mac bush... And they think that the only thing stopping this is those horrible multinational corporations and the evil capitalists!!

Yes, it's true there are some extremists out there with questionable goals and tactics, but mainstream environmentalists have admirable goals and altruistic motives. Keep lumping them in with the extremists if you like, but you will continue to be wrong.

Where is the conspiracy theory in my post? You essentially admit that my claims are true with the first clause in your opening setence. I *was* a mainstream "enviromentalist" until they were hijacked by the extremists. As for proof of "rural clensing, do you need more than the Klamath water scandal? Do you need more than the burning of homes near Phoenix and the destruction of decades of medical and agricultural research? The "environmentalist" movement has become just another front for socialism, or whatever form of statism you wish to tag it with. The major difference is that the Socialist at least claimed to be working for the benifit of "the people" even as they slaughtered millions of them. The "enviromentalists" don't even claim that, at least the ones that are in charge of the major organizations in the "environmentalist movement". They claim to be working for the benifit of Gaia. Heck, its even worse than that. A prominent one just tried to make the moon off limits to everyone as a "world heritage site".

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