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No-helmets bill for motorcyclists defeated in Assembly, again
AP ^ | May 30, 2002

Posted on 05/30/2002 8:59:36 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:37:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SACRAMENTO (AP) - A bill to exempt motorcyclists over age 21 from having to wear helmets failed in the Assembly on Thursday.

Already defeated once, bill author and motorcycle rider Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy, R-Monrovia, resurrected AB2700 to argue once again that the state is taking away individual freedom by requiring drivers to wear helmets. His effort failed on a 34-33 vote.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: helmets; motorcycles
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To: FatherTorque
Good points, made often by opponents of helmet laws.
61 posted on 05/31/2002 10:24:01 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: kellynla
Hope you make enough bank to move out of that hellhole, venice. How are the gangbangers treating you? Good thing for you they can't shoot straight

Sounds like you have been here. Shining Venice, where the sewer meets the sea.

Regards

62 posted on 05/31/2002 10:35:36 AM PDT by Aim small miss small
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To: BraveMan
You must have me mixed up with someone who cares whether you wear a helmet and how much you pay for insurance...read post #30.
63 posted on 05/31/2002 10:42:35 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
If my post has misled you from some error or ommission on my part, I am truely sorry.

I (rightly) assumed you didn't give a damn about my insurance rate. I also assumed that the chief concern regarding this post is how other's insurance rates are negatively impacted by head-injury related fatalities of helmetless motorcycle riders. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the core point of the posted article?

You may, however, find it interesting that MY insurance rate for the coverage on my Harley Davidson is one-third the cost of my insurance for my Chevy Van, in spite of the fact that my HD is worth three times as much AND the HD policy carries TEN TIMES the amount of liability and medical coverage.

My insurance agent "gets it". Do you?

64 posted on 05/31/2002 11:00:54 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: MileHi
I wore an open face helmet and a small accident cost me over $10,000.00 1) bit thru lower lip, some nerve damage 2) spit out 3 teeth 3) ER visit: teeth wired in place for 4 months-liquid diet a bonus 4) 3 root cannals to try to save teeth 5) 3 crowns to cosmetically repair teeth 6) eventually needed a bridge cost over $7,000.00
65 posted on 05/31/2002 11:04:09 AM PDT by ffusco
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To: BraveMan
"GET IT?" Hate repeating myself so maybe you should re-read my previous posts. I believe we have beat this dog to death so I shall ride on...
66 posted on 05/31/2002 11:16:37 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
Have a safe ride, kellynla. Watch out for the cages . . .
67 posted on 05/31/2002 1:02:27 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: ffusco
Yep, it can happen, and fast. Yesterday a nose-ringed teen in a van changed lanes on top of me. Had to by the ditch. Fortunately the shoulder was wide and nothing was in the way.
68 posted on 05/31/2002 2:07:11 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Cultural Jihad
It is pure lunacy, though, to imagine that the vast majority of your American neighbors are as inured and calloused as the ideologues, are going to just shrug at your broken body lying in their gutter,....

Not far from here is a place called Shriners. They treat burn victims (mostly children) for free. What I hope this says is that the private sector and private donors can and are, willing not to let someone's body lie broken in the gutter.

we live in a Christian culture, where each and every human being has immense worth and value in the eyes of the vast majority of the populace.

Yes, we do, however our government has stepped into the act of providing for others while the private sector is being nudged out. I would agree with much that you've attributed to us as a people, yet our charity and compassion in a private sense have been replaced by government mandates that limit our ability to perform as we might in the absence of government controls. Let's not even discuss government efficiency in delivering services.

69 posted on 05/31/2002 6:00:31 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: BikerTrash
"Click it or ticket." Ain't that special?

Yeah, its cute alright; but the "Clickit or Ticket" is actually a rrogram that originated with the Feds. They offer the states bonus money if they can increase seat belt usage through stricter "primary" enforcement. Extra points are given to the state fascist for developing creative or inovative programs with catchy names to "ecourage" usage.

70 posted on 05/31/2002 6:08:36 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: budwiesest
Do you really think that laws are preventing charities from providing services? I haven't seen any such laws. No one is forcing anyone to take food stamps or county health care. President Bush has his faith-based initiative he's trying to get passed, and while funds would come from taxes, and while no one should claim that taxes are theft, the case can be made that faith-based charities are purported to have a much higher success rate than those which are run by soulless leftist bureaucrats and ideologues with a vested interest in securing more and more dependent clients.
71 posted on 05/31/2002 6:11:09 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: kellynla
Thanks to folks like yourself, your own grandchildren will grow up to demand laws that force pedestrians to wear helmets.
72 posted on 05/31/2002 6:12:14 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The Green Goblin
You can't be stopped and ticketed solely for not wearing a seat belt...

It started out that way, but I think that it is now a primary offense in CO. Not sure, anybody know?

73 posted on 05/31/2002 6:14:09 PM PDT by BikerTrash
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To: MileHi

Hope you are okay. Are you being facetious about the nose ring? Either he or she stopped to help you, or you didn't keep your eyes on the road.

74 posted on 05/31/2002 6:15:04 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Do you really think that laws are preventing charities from providing services?

No, the cost of doing business as usual (and growing) prevents people from making more of their descretionary incomes available for charitable causes. One example: over $600. for the privaledge of driving my truck for one year on California's roads. There are more, but I won't bore you with them.

75 posted on 05/31/2002 6:26:16 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: budwiesest
Good point. Taxes should not rise to the level of confiscation.
76 posted on 05/31/2002 6:29:15 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
...or you didn't keep your eyes on the road.

Keeping your eyes solely "on the road" while riding a motorcycle is a good way to commit suicide.

I've made life saving, (or at least accident saving), decisions by reading the look in some cagers eyes.

Which is a good reason to not wear a helmet. Sometimes the slightest sound or bit of vision saves your ass.

77 posted on 05/31/2002 6:29:30 PM PDT by BikerTrash
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To: BikerTrash
Another good point. I stand corrected.
78 posted on 05/31/2002 6:32:03 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
We don't walk away from a drunk who crashes by the side of the road: "You made your choice, now you'll have to learn to live with it!" No. We rush them to the hospital for care and treatment. We heal their broken bones. [...]

This was very eloquent and all, but isn't it a moot point? The bill in question would only allow people to ride w/o helmets if they had insurance. Now, if the injured person has insurance then "we" get paid back (by the insurance company) for doing all this Christian stuff, so the whole "But it costs Society!" argument doesn't fly at all.

So what, then, can be your objection to the bill?

79 posted on 05/31/2002 6:35:14 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank

I said I favored the bill, Dr. F.

80 posted on 05/31/2002 6:37:37 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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