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Foes of cove sale rely on bogus claim
The Deseret News ^ | 5/29/2002 | Lee Davidson

Posted on 05/29/2002 1:42:06 PM PDT by Utah Girl

A bogus claim is becoming a main weapon to fight selling the federally owned Martin's Cove - the Wyoming site where many Mormon handcart pioneers froze and died in 1856 - to the LDS Church.

The misleading claim is: The sale would create precedent to allow Indians or other religious groups also to obtain federal lands they consider sacred.

Some environmental and preservation groups worry aloud that it could lead to the sale of Devil's Tower or Medicine Wheel in Wyoming to tribes that consider them sacred, much as Mormons consider Martin's Cove sacred.

That worries many Wyoming groups and was the main reason listed by Sen. Craig Thomas, R-Wyo., as he announced his opposition to the sale last weekend.

The trouble is that such precedent was already created long ago.

The House Resources Committee found that the federal government has already previously provided public land to private groups - including tribes - for religious purposes. Some examples include:

* Public Law 98-408. It says its purpose was "to convey certain lands (in Arizona) to the Zuni Indian Tribe for religious purposes." It noted the land had been "used since time immemorial for sustenance and the performance of certain religious ceremonies."

* Public Law 104-303. Section 361 of that Water Resources Development Act of 1996 authorizes transfer of 8,560 acres in Wisconsin to the Ho Chunk Nation. It said those "lands are culturally and religiously significant sites of the Ho Chunk Nation."

* Public Law 98-620. Section 10 of that law to enlarge the boundaries of Grand Canyon National Park also enlarged the boundaries of the Havasupai Indian Reservation. One of the reasons was so the lands may be used for traditional purposes, including religious purposes.

* Public Law 91-550. Section 4 added 48,000 acres to a reservation for the Pueblo de Taos Indians in New Mexico. It specified the "Pueblo de Taos Indians shall use the lands for traditional purposes only, such as religious ceremonials."

House Resources Committee Chairman Jim Hansen, R-Utah, who is LDS and is the sponsor of the Martin's Cove bill, noted in a recent hearing some other examples of transferring public land to private groups.

He said Congress has directed the sale of federal land to churches including federal land in Nevada to the Archdiocese of Reno/Las Vegas and federal land in New York to the Bellsville Wesleyan Church.

Also, he noted the Lighthouse Preservation Act - now federal law - calls for selling lighthouses on the National Historic Register to local governments and private groups that demonstrate financial ability to care for them. The federal government recognizes it doesn't have the resources to do justice to all of them.

Hansen argues that isn't much different than the LDS Church buying Martin's Cove, which he says was not treated well by the federal government for lack of resources.

The cove was not accessible to the public until the church bought the adjacent Sun Ranch five years ago and built trails into the area after working out permission with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management.

On its private land there, the church has also built a visitors center, a museum, wells, public restrooms, parking lots, campgrounds, bridges and trails to the cove. More than 250,000 people have visited the remote cove in recent years because of those facilities.

Hansen's Resources Committee recently endorsed the bill and sent it to the full House with only one dissenting vote - from Wyoming's lone representative, Republican Barbara Cubin. But Cubin added language to the bill directing that it's passage should not be used as precedent for any other land transfer between the federal government and private groups.

The ranking Democrat on the Resources Committee, Nick J. Rahall of West Virginia, suggests that Congress look closely at any such transfer to see if they are in the public interest. He said he concluded that the sale of Martin's Cove would be, because the LDS Church would likely put more money and resources into the site than the BLM could.

Rahall also said the purposes of the church and government also are the same in this case: increasing public access to the cove and helping people better understand what occurred there. The bill would also require free access to the cove forever.

If the Martin's Cove sale did create any precedent, it would be that of allowing a private group to spend its resources to spruce up a site on the condition that tourists must be allowed to visit for free. That would appear to be a good thing, since precedent already set elsewhere allows transfer of public land for private religious use.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Utah; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: ldslist

1 posted on 05/29/2002 1:42:07 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Oh no, those pesky CITIZENS might start taking control of the land back from the GOVERNMENT! They must be stopped! /s

Frankly, I think we could use a Constitutional amendment prohibiting the federal government from owning land. Though off hand, I can't think of anything in the Constitution which gives the federal government the right to buy and own land in the first place, and since all rights not specifically granted to the federal government are reserved to the States . . .

2 posted on 05/29/2002 3:21:03 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: *LDS_list;restornu
*Index Bump and fyi
3 posted on 05/29/2002 3:25:33 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Exactly. The more we get land out of the hands of the Federal Government, the better. If I still lived out West, I'd propose a voters initiative to have the State take over Federal lands.
4 posted on 05/29/2002 3:33:27 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Kermit
It would be REALLY interesting to watch that play out in the courts. Right now, as far as I know, no state has a law on the books prohibiting the federal government from owning land within its borders, so the federal government is doing so only at the pleasure of the states. Certain western states, in which the federal government owns a substantial majority of the acreage, are not completely unrealistic possibilities for getting such a law passed, since a good chunk of their populations are annoyed at this situation already.
5 posted on 05/29/2002 3:50:01 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Frankly, I think we could use a Constitutional amendment prohibiting the federal government from owning land. Though off hand, I can't think of anything in the Constitution which gives the federal government the right to buy and own land in the first place, and since all rights not specifically granted to the federal government are reserved to the States . .

Allow me to supply Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 16:

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings

There's your answer.

If you prohibit the Federal government from owning land, who gets the Minot AFB missile fields?

6 posted on 05/29/2002 4:04:37 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: GovernmentShrinker
That would be so much fun. The Big Government creeps would be screaming from sea-to-sea. The Senator complaining in the article is a Republican. We'd have the additional benefit of outing all of the RINOs in the country. Woo hoo!
7 posted on 05/29/2002 4:36:45 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Poohbah
See, it says "by consent of the legislature of the state", and it also says for specified and other "needful buildings" -- not a word about vast stretches of undeveloped land. As for the military bases, regional offices of federal agencies, etc., they should negotiate to lease them from either the state in question (if the state happens to own the property they hope to obtain), or with the private citizen owners -- just like any other party wanting to use land or buildings. Imagine that -- the federal government on even footing with citizens!
8 posted on 05/29/2002 5:07:40 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
OK, you've just managed to make bombing ranges illegal by your effort to strain at gnats whilst swallowing more agreeable camels.
9 posted on 05/29/2002 5:09:57 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Why? A bombing range could well be seen as needful, and for the right price, I'm sure a number of states would be happy to lease the federal government land for that use. Imagine the leverage . . .
10 posted on 05/29/2002 5:18:25 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Because, silly, it's not a "building." And there is no way in hell the government

Please note that the Constitution specifically provides for eminent domain via the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment.

11 posted on 05/29/2002 5:22:57 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Excuse me: didn't rewrite the first para:

There is NO way that anyone would "lease" land out for a bombing range. The land becomes permanently unusable.

And you pointed out that stretches of undeveloped land do not fit the description of "needful buildings." But that IS a bombing range--a vast stretch of undeveloped land.

12 posted on 05/29/2002 5:25:20 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
We probably do need an amendment to prohibit the feds from owning/taking land, though I think amendments to state constitutions might do the trick in practice. Something tells me that once those states got title to the existing bombings ranges back, since they're already not usable for anything else, said states would be willing to negotiate a lease with the feds at a reasonable price.
13 posted on 05/29/2002 5:33:22 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
We probably do need an amendment to prohibit the feds from owning/taking land, though I think amendments to state constitutions might do the trick in practice.

You just have to ignore Article VI of the Constitution for that approach to work:

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

In short, the state Constitution clauses forbidding federal ownership of land would simply be declared null and void.

14 posted on 05/29/2002 5:39:48 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah; All
Does anyone know the legend of the Devil's Tower?
15 posted on 05/29/2002 5:58:47 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
All I know about Devil's Tower legend and lore is that it's where they had the aliens show up in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
16 posted on 05/29/2002 6:10:31 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
The legend goes something like that. Many years ago, Indian maidens were playing in the meadow, when suddenly a giant bear was coming up to them. They were all frightend of course and wer running up to a hill, with the bear in pursuit (sp) behind them. They prayed, to be saved from the bear. Suddenly the hill begun to rise up, and the bear was trying to climb up. That is how it looks like the sides of the tower have scratch marks
17 posted on 05/29/2002 6:26:27 PM PDT by Kaslin
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