Why Gun Control Will Win

Author | Today | DGallandro

[HairOfTheDog]

Well, I haven't had the opportunity to argue with Sarah Brady directly. But I have a lot of opportunity to convince the folk around the office... They are the target I care about. If we can pull the audience, Sarah becomes just one lonely harmless zealot.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Gun control wins because it puts the bullet where you want it to be.

[DGallandro]

JSteff Wrote:
(Emphasis Mine, spelling corrected)
Your post is good and the words are true, but the other side of why the gun control nazi's get away with it is because those who belive in the 2nd amendment don't take enough action. So any ideas?

I believe my point is that those of us who believe in the Second Amendment ARE doing what we can, but we are in the minority, and without the backing of the majority, we are destined to lose. My essay was not to document the behaviors of those of us fighting for freedom, but to inform us of the large mass of our society who Just Don't Care.

I don't have any good answers yet. That's why I post here. This is part of my brainstorming.

It's time to come up with a plan.

DG

[DGallandro]

RJL Wrote:
(My emphasis)
Just last week John Ashcroft filed with the United States Supreme Court that the official position of the United States is that the Second Amendment acknowledges individual personal rights.

Say, that's pretty good! Is there a link to this anywhere? I'm pretty sure the mainstream media hasn't said a peep about it. Where can I find this for myself?

Maybe all is not lost, friends. But if it is as you say, Gun Control is on the ropes, then this is one enemy we cannot afford to leave alive. It may almost be Coup De Grace time.

Thank you. I needed some hope pretty badly, obviously.

DG

[DGallandro]

satchmodog9 wrote:
(emphasis mine)

So when they come for my guns would you recomend I use my 454 or my 357 or my 10 gauge or my 30-30?

I would recommend also the .30-30. If the .357 is a sidearm, you might want to arm a trusted assistant (preferably a handgun hunter) with the .454 so he can assist you in hitting out at the medium ranges while the .357 rides your hip. If your .357 is a lever-action carbine, then again, you should arm a trusted assistant, with the 10-guage between you for those sneakies who get by your effective wall of fire at distance.

Point here is: Don't Be Alone. We can win by knowing people like US all around us. Make friends. Take 'em to the range, get 'em hooked on shooting sports. It's not tough and the guy you take to the range today may be the guy watching your back tomorrow. The guns they may come for first may not be yours (because those of us here have played the game long enough, if you know what I mean), but may be someone you know.

United We Stand.

And now a quote from my personal hero, Benjamin Franklin: "Gentlemen, we must hang together, or we will surely all hang separately."

That Ben...he knew what time it was.

DG

[Shooter 2.5]

We're going to lose because:

Only 5% of the gun owners are activists.
One of the gun groups uses every opportunity to criticize the NRA.
Too many gun owners follow the voting advice of their unions for their pocketbook.
The anti-gun people are the teachers in the public schools.
The gunranges and the hunting areas are being closed because no one cares.
The media and the power brokers are anti-gun.
Every time a nut shoots up a highway sign, someone driving by becomes an anti-gun voter.

[Liberty Ship]

To confirm one of your premises, Tipper Gore was on the morning news with Paula Zahn yestereday whining about all the terror alerts we are getting not. She said that all it does is make people afraid and anxious, that we don't just want to know about the threat, "We want to be told what to do."

[DGallandro]

Shooter 2.5 wrote:
(Emphasis Mine)
Every time a nut shoots up a highway sign, someone driving by becomes an anti-gun voter.

Oh, the irony there is just too rich to pass up, since the gun control types say they only want police and military to be armed.

I'm about to let you in on a little secret as to who predominantly shoots up those highway signs. Don't be surprised or even shocked. Those who do it, of course, deny it, and will never, ever get caught.

Most highway signs on lonely roads...have you noticed that they're either hit with a buckshot blast or several medium-caliber handgun holes?

The ugly truth of this one is that most highway signs are shot by the cops themselves, usually out of boredom.

And they'll never get caught, because they are the ones who do the catching. Get it? Give us gun owners a little credit. Most of us have lived through 10 years of persecution and being labeled "gun-totin' redneck psychobilly bubbas" or some such. I know for a fact that I, nor would any shooter I know, willfully deface a public road sign.

The only reason I can even report as to who shoots up signs is because I saw it once. Once. On Angeles Forest Highway, back in 1989. At night. The rest of the details are omitted under my 5th amendment right. But suffice it to say that I was not, nor had I intended to be, there to shoot up road signs.

But at that moment it all fell into place for me, because like you, I wondered what flaming IDIOT of our firearm-owning brethren would hurt our cause like that, especially considering that at the time, Angeles Forest had TWO open shooting "areas". Not ranges...just unsupervised areas where people could go and shoot.

I saw that, and then I knew. Those who have no fear of being caught, those who are out there, day after day, or night after night, bored to tears, with a live firearm and a convenient target, and who don't have to worry anytime soon about being disarmed by public opinion.

Oh, the irony! That much of our woes come from people whom the gun control movement have branded as "worthy"!

I just had to mention that.

DG

[Liberty Ship]

Every time a nut shoots up a highway sign, someone driving by becomes an anti-gun voter.

Yeas ago, I was involved in a business deal with Bulgaria, at that time a communist block country. Some of their technical people came to the US and in those days no one did that unless they had a political officer in a suit with them to "translate."

We were blasting through rural Indiana in a van, talking through the translator. Things were going fine. Finally, after passing a series of shot-up signs, one of the technical types asks a question and the translator said, "What happened to all those signs?" I said, "People shoot at them with guns. Everyone has a gun here and we shoot ths signs to proclaim our freedom and show the police who is in charge. I'm sure it's different in your country where people show more respect." Silence. He did not translate the answer. Later, I could not believe I said that but I was glad I did.

[Shooter 2.5]

Interesting story. Thanks for posting it.

I have a "deer" lease that really is an open area where we shoot. The only deer I have ever seen were the two that were dumped by the gate after someone took the antlers. Every once in a while someone sneaks in and shoots the trees, desks, shooting benches and anything that can be destroyed. I doubt that the percentage of people who do this are one in five hundred but the evidence lasts a lot longer after they're long gone.

And you can bet that the idiots that do that couldn't care less about defending their rights. It will be a game for them for as long as they can destroy things and when they get bored, they'll sell their guns and wreck another sport.

[Ahban]

War kills good people. Because only good people will sacrifice themselves for their principles, such as freedom. The weasels will dodge and conveniently be unavailable when it comes time for them to serve. So the good people die and all we have left are the weasels, and they breed.

That's profound.

[glockmeister40]

Bull. There is no "gun control movement. Just a tiny lobby lacking any grassroots.

I agree the gun control lobby is on the wain now. They could still come back. Let's finish them off for good. Keep pounding gun rights into your congresscritter. Get the NRA membership up to ten million. Let the media assholes know that gun rights are the most important rights in America because they protect all the other rights. Let those arrogant elite bastards in washington dc know that if you mess with gun rights you will be out by a recall election or at the end of your term.

[Kermit]

I've asked them. You get an anti-gunner going on and on about how evil and dangerous guns are. I say, you're right, let's disarm the police, guns are evil. They do a 180 like you see in cartoons. No, no, we can't disarm the police. But you said, guns have only one purpose and that's to kill people and governments kill more people than anyone, so they ought to be disarmed first.

Try this sometime when you talk to an "anti-gunner". They expose their true agenda, then you just have to tell them that a government, where only the police have guns is a Police State and they support a Police State. So much for caring and compassion and progressivism.

[kennyo]

I think the 10-gauge for close-in and the 30-30 for holding them at bay.The real hypocrisy of the gun-control movement is that they'll need guns to get ours.I think that people who don't believe in the 2nd amendent shouldn't buy guns.

[RJL]

DG,

Just last week John Ashcroft filed with the United States Supreme Court that the official position of the United States is that the Second Amendment acknowledges individual personal rights.

Say, that's pretty good! Is there a link to this anywhere? I'm pretty sure the mainstream media hasn't said a peep about it. Where can I find this for myself?

I misspoke, it was actually Ted Olson, the Solicitor General who works for Ashcroft who filed this opinion with the SCOTUS.

Surprisingly this was in the mainstream media quite a bit, the gun grabbers really had their panties in a wad over it.

I don't have a link to it, you might try searching FR on Ashcroft/Ted Olson. I am pretty sure I read a piece from Mary McGrory sp? about this. I suspect that NRA Live has a piece on this in their archives.

Ashcroft/Olson filed this on two cases that have been appealed to the SCOTUS, Emerson was one case, I don't remember the second case.

RJL

[satchmodog9]

That 454 has quite a kick. I've gone as far as taking my sister out and now she and her husband are hooked. I've got two 22s set aside for their kids as soon as they are old enough to stand up.

[Smile-n-Win]

They also see nothing wrong in hiring armed guards to protect themselves, their offices and their factories. We can't be allowed to protect ourselves though.

LOL Then I'll just hire my wife as an armed guard to protect me, my offices, and my factories. And my wife will hire me as an armed guard to protect her, her offices, and her factories.

Amazing how confused some people can be.

[He Rides A White Horse]

I believe my point is that those of us who believe in the Second Amendment ARE doing what we can, but we are in the minority, and without the backing of the majority,

.......I think times are a changin', really, I do.

[Orion]

Well FR used to be full of people who were wise to the liberal globalist games. Not to many people here today that I can say that about however. Even the big leader puts all his trust in a party

Unfortunately, this is correct. FR is now very 'big tent' and caters primarily to GOP statist stooges. I was crushed when our host told me that he would vote for a GOP, no matter what. This is what passes as 'conservatism' in this day and age.

Unless we purge the demons in our own 'party' the GOP will not take us to where we need to be.

Read 1984 and see why this will not work. Devotion to a party, rather than principle, is very, very, very dangerous. The aims of a 'party' is to gain and retain power - that is all. This could not be better demonstrated than by the modern GOP.