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Another AmBush
ToogoodReports ^ | May 26, 2002 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/24/2002 5:09:03 AM PDT by Starmaker

We have been amBushed again! Once again, President Bush has decided to betray his constituents. Despite the fact that it was the gun rights issue that made the difference in the 2000 presidential election, Bush told airline pilots this week they could not carry side arms in the cockpits. So much for Bush's "commitment" to the Second Amendment.

Outside law enforcement officers, no group of Americans is more qualified to carry personal firearms than airline pilots. The vast majority of commercial pilots came out of the U.S. Armed Forces. Many of them are combat veterans. They have received some of the most rigorous training any group of people could ever receive. Many (if not most) of them at one time or another have been awarded "expert" classification for their handgun proficiency.

Furthermore, airline pilots are among the most highly regulated and most intensely scrutinized people in the country. After all, hundreds of thousands of Americans trust these pilots with their lives and the lives of their loved ones (both in the air and on the ground) every single day.

In spite of the fact that airline pilots are among the most trusted and capable people in the nation and in spite of the fact that they are already responsible for the safety of thousands of people, George W. Bush does not trust them to carry pistols into the cockpits. Instead, in the event of another hijacking, Bush would scramble a fighter jet to shoot down the commercial plane.

However, before we start using U.S. military fighters to shoot down American commercial airliners, let's try this solution: divide the entire airline industry into two groups. One group consists of armed airline pilots. The other group consists of unarmed pilots. Then, let the flying public choose the flights they prefer. No, that wouldn't work because people would not be depending upon the federal government for their safety.

It should be obvious to everyone that the issue is not public safety; it is government control! Bush suffers from the same disease that infects most in Washington, D.C. He has succumbed to the fallacious belief that only government should be allowed to protect and defend people. If these pilots were all federal employees, they would be required to carry firearms. After all, even entry-level federal guards are allowed (even required) to carry firearms when guarding federal buildings. In like fashion, federal marshals are allowed to carry guns on airliners, but civilian pilots are not. The facts speak for themselves: our government leaders (including President Bush) do not trust the American people (no matter who they are) to defend themselves.

Unfortunately, many so-called pro-gun groups (such as the N.R.A.) continue to give cover for Bush and refuse to take him to task for this despotic decision. Like most conservative organizations, the N.R.A. refuses to hold this Republican favored son accountable to the same principles of freedom that they hold Democrats to. Therefore, in the end, more liberties are lost and more lives are put at risk.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; airlinepilots; banglist; sidearms
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1 posted on 05/24/2002 5:09:03 AM PDT by Starmaker
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To: Starmaker
Bush needs to lick that calf over again.
2 posted on 05/24/2002 5:11:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Starmaker
Outrageous injury desperately in search of an insult.
3 posted on 05/24/2002 5:11:51 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Starmaker
Goodness, President Bush is nearly as all powerful as the Mossad.
4 posted on 05/24/2002 5:36:45 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Starmaker
Let the Bush-bashing begin again on FR! Whine on
5 posted on 05/24/2002 5:41:15 AM PDT by gramho12
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To: gramho12
Let the Bush-bashing begin again on FR! Whine on

Is that all you can say? Whine on? What about defending Bush? What about commenting on his action in regards to airline pilots being able to arm themselves? I guess it is easier to call people whiners than to debate issues with them.

Once again, Bush gives an inch and takes a mile.

Tuor

6 posted on 05/24/2002 5:45:44 AM PDT by Tuor
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To: Starmaker
I do not think it wrong when we think our President has done something wrong to critisize him. Unlike the Demorats we don't support everything, right or wrong.
7 posted on 05/24/2002 5:50:48 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: Starmaker
That's odd, I don't remember President Bush saying anything about the issue. I do recall the senate discussing it. And since it would be a change in the law the Congress would have to start the process.

What are you complaining about?

God Save America (Please)

8 posted on 05/24/2002 5:52:36 AM PDT by John O
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To: Tuor
Dearie, I don't have to debate with you. Your comments just illustrated my point.
9 posted on 05/24/2002 6:09:00 AM PDT by gramho12
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To: John O
AmBushed? Cute, but quite unfair. Think about what you are talking about. I can't remember the last time a gun was smuggled on board an airplane. Somebody needs to explain to me what good it would do to have a gun in the cockpit. It would have prevented the pilots from having their throats slit with box-cutters? The sad truth is no it wouldn't. If you make the cock-pit completely unaccessible, there is no need for a gun. By the way, I haven't heard anywhere that President Bush has told all these pilots that they can't own personal guns. This is not about the right to bear arms, be clear on that. It is about being allowed to carry a gun at 32,000 feet in a tube that, if punctured , has a real good chance of going down anyway. I'm not sure how you people have turned this into a cry of "Bush is turning on us again" but I think it is pretty sad. With concervatives like this, who needs democrats...
10 posted on 05/24/2002 6:21:34 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: bang_list


11 posted on 05/24/2002 6:22:41 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: AZConcervative
It is about being allowed to carry a gun at 32,000 feet in a tube that, if punctured , has a real good chance of going down anyway.

That only happens on tv and movies, and is far from accurate. A commercial jetliner isn't airtight like the space shuttle: there's holes all over the thing, and one tiny addition will not dramatically depressurize the cabin.

12 posted on 05/24/2002 6:37:37 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Starmaker
The are two Bills before Congress to arm the Pilots. They have hundreds of sponsors. Probably all Republican although I heard that Zell Miller is supporting one of the Bills. Let's see how the dems try to weasel out of voting yes for the Bills and see if Bush signs it. If and when he doesn't sign it, then and only then will I criticize Bush on this subject.
13 posted on 05/24/2002 6:39:55 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Starmaker
Congress is going to overrule gun-grabber ex-BATF boss John MaGaw and his boss George W Bush and allow pilots to carry. Congress is going to pass this with massive DemocRAT support. This decision puts Bush to the LEFT of most 'RATs. Who is Bush pandering to?
14 posted on 05/24/2002 6:43:12 AM PDT by Kermit
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To: Darth Sidious
OK, Let's just say someone taking pot-shots down a long tube filled with people, at a guy who only has a razor blade...The point is the same
15 posted on 05/24/2002 6:57:55 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: AZConcervative
The point is the same.

What, that guns can kill? Well DUH! They could kill if fired into a crowd back in 1776, too, you know. The Framers STILL wrote the 2nd Amendment VERY purposefully, even knowing that there were dangerous people, uncaring people, and mentally unstable people in the world (they had the French back then, hehe). The truth is that if ANYONE (marshalls, pilots, passengers) were allowed to responsibly carry on airplanes, 9-11 would never have happened. Yes, the Muslims would have had guns, too. So what? Guns have been used in hijackings for decades. If the odds were evened, so to speak, it wouldn't happen nearly as often.

Recall: "An armed society is a polite society", and even Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, 1941 "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

16 posted on 05/24/2002 7:20:18 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: AZConcervative
Since I agree with most of what you say, but since your tone was confrontational, I'm assuming you meant to address this to Starmaker perhaps?

GSA(P)

17 posted on 05/24/2002 7:42:51 AM PDT by John O
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To: Starmaker
In spite of the fact that airline pilots are among the most trusted and capable people in the nation and in spite of the fact that they are already responsible for the safety of thousands of people, George W. Bush does not trust them to carry pistols into the cockpits. Instead, in the event of another hijacking, Bush would scramble a fighter jet to shoot down the commercial plane.

Firstly if truly the "most trusted and capable people in the nation",the airline pilots are going to have to be allowed to bypass the public security checkpoints,especially if they are carrying a firearm.
18 posted on 05/24/2002 7:50:50 AM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: gramho12
If you look at Bush's domestic agenda, it is Clinton Plus. Show any politically aware person Bush's actions in office and ask them the political affiliation of that unamed President. Most would say this domestic agendia is that of a liberal democrat president.
19 posted on 05/24/2002 8:06:09 AM PDT by joeyman
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To: Tuor
What about defending Bush?

There's not a tinkers d*mn worth of difference between GWB and Clinton/Gore/Democrats, and the following articles prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt::

 

1. Tokyo irked by US stance on Kyoto............(President George Bush saying the US will not ratify the protocol) [Sounds like Bush is trying to be just like Al Gore!]
 
2. AIDs fear as Bush blocks sex lessons...............(President George W. Bush is blocking an international drive to provide teenage sex education because of his belief in chastity before marriage) [Who'da thought GWB would act sooooo much the Democrat?]

3. Powell confirms United States to pull out of treaty creating international criminal court...........(George Bush fired a shot across the bow of the United Nations Monday, when he ordered Undersecretary of State John R. Bolton to withdraw the signature of the U.S. from the treaty which created the International Criminal Court.) [GWB, creating the One World Order].

 

4. White House reverses [decades old] stand on right to bear arms  ......... (told the Supreme Court for the first time late Monday that the Constitution "broadly protects the rights of individuals" to own firearms.) [Right out of the Democrat handbook!]

 

5. U.S. PUSHING PRO-FAMILY STANCE AT CHILDREN S SUMMIT...........(U.S. delegation, stood firm in private meetings Wednesday in the face of strong European objections to U.S. positions such as abortion and redefinition of the family. [Doesn't this sound like something Gore would have done? The nerve of GWB!].

6. Bush Pushes Stiffer Welfare Rules............("The heart of all these proposals is a simple commitment to return an ethic of work as an important part of American life," he said.) [Shades of Clinton, it appears].
 

7.Bush Signs Border Security Law (no amnesty!)............"We must know what our visitors are doing, and when they leave," he said  

 

We wasted time and effort with the election fight in Florida. Gore could be President today, the country wouldn't have the specter of that election hanging over our heads, and ALL THE ABOVE WOULD STILL HAVE HAPPENED.

 Or so the legions of Bush Bashers would have you believe.  Perhaps they are just disrupters.

20 posted on 05/24/2002 9:20:15 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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