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Netherlands: One in seven Dutch voted for dead Fortuyn
The New Zealand Herald ^ | May 22 2002

Posted on 05/23/2002 2:26:52 PM PDT by knighthawk

AMSTERDAM - Murdered maverick Pim Fortuyn personally attracted more than 14 per cent of votes in last week's bombshell Dutch election, final data showed on Tuesday.

Over 1.3 million people ticked the dead man's name -- giving him 84 per cent of the votes cast for the three-month-old Pim Fortuyn List (LPF) populist party that took second place as the Netherlands shifted rightwards in the May 15 general election.

Fortuyn, who was gunned down nine days before the poll, still had his name on ballot forms because names could not be removed after an April deadline.

In Dutch proportional representation, voters choose from lists of parliamentary candidates. The vote for an individual candidate is also a vote for their party.

The opposition Christian Democrats (CDA) emerged victorious from the election in which the centre-left ruling coalition was routed.

Definitive results released on Tuesday showed the CDA won 43 seats in the 150-seat lower house of parliament and the LPF 26. The free-market VVD party came third with 24 while Prime Minister Wim Kok's Labour -- dominant member of the current coalition -- plunged to fourth place with 23 seats.

Preliminary results had put Labour and the VVD joint third with 23 seats each, but the complex arithmetic of the Dutch system ultimately reallocated one seat from the Green Links environmental party to the VVD.

Fortuyn, who was shot by a lone gunman near Amsterdam on May 6, shook up the Netherlands by calling for zero immigration and branding Islam "backward". Rivals called his views dangerous. An animal rights activist has been charged with his murder.

The hottest tip for the next government is a coalition of CDA, LPF and the VVD -- though the latter's new leader, Finance Minister Gerrit Zalm, struck a tough stance on Friday by saying the VVD's participation should not be taken for granted.

The long, slow process of building a Dutch coalition ground on as newly appointed mediator and CDA member Jan Piet Hein Donner held back-to-back meetings with party leaders on Tuesday.

CDA chief Jan Peter Balkenende, widely expected to be the Netherlands' next prime minister, said before meeting Donner that a CDA-LPF-VVD alliance would best match voter preferences, though other coalition combinations were possible.

Donner, who will talk to all party chiefs before reporting back to head of state Queen Beatrix, said he was working on the basis of a coalition of the CDA, LPF plus one or two other parties.

"In the first instance I will talk to all the parliamentary party leaders on the basis of a CDA-LPF combination. There are then many possible coalitions," Donner told reporters.

Once Donner has reported back to the monarch, she will select a so-called final mediator to usher in the coalition and name ministerial candidates.

Should a centre-right government fail to take shape during coalition talks -- which can take months of horse trading and consensus building -- a host of smaller parties could be brought in to shore up a coalition.

Fortuyn's lawyers have launched legal action against three politicians from the outgoing coalition and several journalists for allegedly inciting hatred of Fortuyn, an openly gay former academic.

Lawyers Gerard Spong and Oscar Hammerstein said Fortuyn had asked them to investigate if anything happened to him.

But Spong, whose name has circulated as a potential justice minister in the new government, has since suggested he might be prepared to drop the action if that would help him win a place in government, Dutch media reported.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: dutchelections; fortuyn; netherlands
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To: MeeknMing
Nice to have ya back!

Could someone file me in on why nighthawk was going to leave FR?

21 posted on 05/23/2002 3:06:54 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: knighthawk
Can't wait till November when we will have the Presidency and both houses of Congress .
Finally allowing some judicial appointments to go through

I know, I am an optimist

22 posted on 05/23/2002 3:10:29 PM PDT by fortress
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To: stripes1776
See reply #127 here:My last post: in Silence
23 posted on 05/23/2002 3:10:31 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Shermy
You got that right. But their plan was foiled when Donner asked the Socialistic Party if they would join a coalition. The SP agreed (their leader Marijnesse is a good leader and although Fortuyn didn't like his stand on a lot of issues, they got along well. Also the SP never demonized the LPF). That scared the VVD into joining.
24 posted on 05/23/2002 3:13:55 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: fortress
I could happen. I thought we would never get rid of the socialists/liberals, but we did. And I bet it will work in the US too.
25 posted on 05/23/2002 3:15:12 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
I certainly hope so. I am sooo tired of Daschle blocking everything.
26 posted on 05/23/2002 3:19:50 PM PDT by fortress
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To: knighthawk
See reply #127 here:My last post: in Silence

I missed that thread, but I am glad you are still around. I wouldn't have known what was going on politically in the Netherlands if it weren't for your posts. I find it very interesting. I am glad that you are staying.

Please keep us informed of the situation there.

27 posted on 05/23/2002 3:25:16 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: knighthawk
goed dat je terug bent jongen!
28 posted on 05/23/2002 3:42:32 PM PDT by mikenola
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To: mikenola
Dank je wel. Het is goed om terug te zijn. Hier in Nederland ben ik geestelijk alleen. De FR geeft mij toch het gevoel ergens bij te horen.
29 posted on 05/23/2002 3:44:39 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
"I thought we would never get rid of the socialists/liberals, but we did."

It's certainly a very pleasing development. I don't know much about the intricacies of your government, so I have a few questions. Is it likely that the ministry Beatrix appoints (as well as the judges) will lend themselves to the rightward shift in voter sentiment?

And what about the lower chamber of parliament? Isn't its membership held over from previous regional legislative elections when Kok and his minions were still in power? Is it likely they will go along with upper chamber legislation?

Lastly, do you foresee a resurgence of WD (liberal party) influence anytime soon? They are the only party in the Netherlands who even remotely resemble what I consider "conservative."

30 posted on 05/23/2002 3:44:57 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: stripes1776
The thread is outdated now, but I hope it will remind people that we must support eachother. We are on the same side.
31 posted on 05/23/2002 3:46:00 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
"We are on the same side."

For anybody familiar with our respective histories, there can be no doubt about that. I, and others, may have our quibbles about the Hague, the NMPs and other matters in the Netherlands, but the fact is that the Netherlands (in spite of its long period of neutrality) is our oldest continuous ally, going all the way back to our War of Independence. You are the third largest investor in us, and we are the largest investor in you.

32 posted on 05/23/2002 3:50:58 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: knighthawk
Add me to the list of Freepers that are glad you stayed.

The USA get rid of the liberals and socialists? Maybe if we could clone Ronald Reagan 100 million times and bring them all into the country at once, like 'Star Wars', Episode 2, 'Attack of the Clones'.

Darth Hitlery and Count Da'shill would flee to another galaxy. ;^)

33 posted on 05/23/2002 3:52:21 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: Bonaparte
The shift to the right is going to take time. There are still powerfull left-leaning people in power in many departments. But I know some head are going to roll anytime soon.

Balkenende (the CDA leader) spoke to the Dutch people in an interview and said he how had seen that things needed to change. He is young (46) and never really was part of the old system. He also knows if he doesn't please the LPF voters that eventualy voted for him, he will lose a lot of support.

The lower chamber (refered to as First Chamber) will probebly go along with a lot of laws. But they have still got power to counter the right coalition. But I doubt they will do it, except for far-going changes.

The WD? Do you mean VVD? They are the right-winged liberals. They lost voters to List Pim Fortuyn, and if the LPF will do bad, they will regain those voters.

34 posted on 05/23/2002 3:53:08 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Bonaparte
We Dutch people also owe our freedom to the US and allies. More than 405.000 US soldiers died liberating Europe, and my part of the Netherlands was liberated by US troops.
35 posted on 05/23/2002 3:57:01 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: 4Freedom
Ronald Reagan clones! I'd like that. He is my favorite president. And you heard that from a Dutchman who was submitted to brainwashing by the lefties (I guess they failed).
36 posted on 05/23/2002 3:59:17 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Ah, thank you. More questions...

If the First Chamber balks on Second Chamber bills, can they be over-ridden, perhaps by a 2/3 vote in the Second Chamber? If so, the new coalition would have to find another 7 votes from outside their ranks, wouldn't they? If not, then what mechanism, if any, is there for perventing the First Chamber from significantly obstructing the program of the new coalition?

I am also still wondering about Beatrix, the ministry and the judges.

(Yes, I meant the VVD. I suppose I should just accept the fact that I now have to wear glasses, LOL!)

37 posted on 05/23/2002 4:01:52 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: knighthawk
"More than 405.000 US soldiers died..."

Which means we also have a bond of blood. I'm sure you would have done the same for us.

38 posted on 05/23/2002 4:03:40 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Geez, you got me there. I will check it and be back tomorrow with an answer.

I thought the First Chamber could not stop the forming of a coalition. Formily the queen (Beatrix) can. I will look around.

39 posted on 05/23/2002 4:08:00 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Ronald Reagan clones! I'd like that. He is my favorite president.

Knighthawk, you can call him "Dutch" Reagan.

40 posted on 05/23/2002 4:16:20 PM PDT by Erasmus
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