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Netherlands: One in seven Dutch voted for dead Fortuyn
The New Zealand Herald ^ | May 22 2002

Posted on 05/23/2002 2:26:52 PM PDT by knighthawk

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To: MeeknMing
Nice to have ya back!

Could someone file me in on why nighthawk was going to leave FR?

21 posted on 05/23/2002 3:06:54 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: knighthawk
Can't wait till November when we will have the Presidency and both houses of Congress .
Finally allowing some judicial appointments to go through

I know, I am an optimist

22 posted on 05/23/2002 3:10:29 PM PDT by fortress
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To: stripes1776
See reply #127 here:My last post: in Silence
23 posted on 05/23/2002 3:10:31 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Shermy
You got that right. But their plan was foiled when Donner asked the Socialistic Party if they would join a coalition. The SP agreed (their leader Marijnesse is a good leader and although Fortuyn didn't like his stand on a lot of issues, they got along well. Also the SP never demonized the LPF). That scared the VVD into joining.
24 posted on 05/23/2002 3:13:55 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: fortress
I could happen. I thought we would never get rid of the socialists/liberals, but we did. And I bet it will work in the US too.
25 posted on 05/23/2002 3:15:12 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
I certainly hope so. I am sooo tired of Daschle blocking everything.
26 posted on 05/23/2002 3:19:50 PM PDT by fortress
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To: knighthawk
See reply #127 here:My last post: in Silence

I missed that thread, but I am glad you are still around. I wouldn't have known what was going on politically in the Netherlands if it weren't for your posts. I find it very interesting. I am glad that you are staying.

Please keep us informed of the situation there.

27 posted on 05/23/2002 3:25:16 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: knighthawk
goed dat je terug bent jongen!
28 posted on 05/23/2002 3:42:32 PM PDT by mikenola
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To: mikenola
Dank je wel. Het is goed om terug te zijn. Hier in Nederland ben ik geestelijk alleen. De FR geeft mij toch het gevoel ergens bij te horen.
29 posted on 05/23/2002 3:44:39 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
"I thought we would never get rid of the socialists/liberals, but we did."

It's certainly a very pleasing development. I don't know much about the intricacies of your government, so I have a few questions. Is it likely that the ministry Beatrix appoints (as well as the judges) will lend themselves to the rightward shift in voter sentiment?

And what about the lower chamber of parliament? Isn't its membership held over from previous regional legislative elections when Kok and his minions were still in power? Is it likely they will go along with upper chamber legislation?

Lastly, do you foresee a resurgence of WD (liberal party) influence anytime soon? They are the only party in the Netherlands who even remotely resemble what I consider "conservative."

30 posted on 05/23/2002 3:44:57 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: stripes1776
The thread is outdated now, but I hope it will remind people that we must support eachother. We are on the same side.
31 posted on 05/23/2002 3:46:00 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
"We are on the same side."

For anybody familiar with our respective histories, there can be no doubt about that. I, and others, may have our quibbles about the Hague, the NMPs and other matters in the Netherlands, but the fact is that the Netherlands (in spite of its long period of neutrality) is our oldest continuous ally, going all the way back to our War of Independence. You are the third largest investor in us, and we are the largest investor in you.

32 posted on 05/23/2002 3:50:58 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: knighthawk
Add me to the list of Freepers that are glad you stayed.

The USA get rid of the liberals and socialists? Maybe if we could clone Ronald Reagan 100 million times and bring them all into the country at once, like 'Star Wars', Episode 2, 'Attack of the Clones'.

Darth Hitlery and Count Da'shill would flee to another galaxy. ;^)

33 posted on 05/23/2002 3:52:21 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: Bonaparte
The shift to the right is going to take time. There are still powerfull left-leaning people in power in many departments. But I know some head are going to roll anytime soon.

Balkenende (the CDA leader) spoke to the Dutch people in an interview and said he how had seen that things needed to change. He is young (46) and never really was part of the old system. He also knows if he doesn't please the LPF voters that eventualy voted for him, he will lose a lot of support.

The lower chamber (refered to as First Chamber) will probebly go along with a lot of laws. But they have still got power to counter the right coalition. But I doubt they will do it, except for far-going changes.

The WD? Do you mean VVD? They are the right-winged liberals. They lost voters to List Pim Fortuyn, and if the LPF will do bad, they will regain those voters.

34 posted on 05/23/2002 3:53:08 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Bonaparte
We Dutch people also owe our freedom to the US and allies. More than 405.000 US soldiers died liberating Europe, and my part of the Netherlands was liberated by US troops.
35 posted on 05/23/2002 3:57:01 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: 4Freedom
Ronald Reagan clones! I'd like that. He is my favorite president. And you heard that from a Dutchman who was submitted to brainwashing by the lefties (I guess they failed).
36 posted on 05/23/2002 3:59:17 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Ah, thank you. More questions...

If the First Chamber balks on Second Chamber bills, can they be over-ridden, perhaps by a 2/3 vote in the Second Chamber? If so, the new coalition would have to find another 7 votes from outside their ranks, wouldn't they? If not, then what mechanism, if any, is there for perventing the First Chamber from significantly obstructing the program of the new coalition?

I am also still wondering about Beatrix, the ministry and the judges.

(Yes, I meant the VVD. I suppose I should just accept the fact that I now have to wear glasses, LOL!)

37 posted on 05/23/2002 4:01:52 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: knighthawk
"More than 405.000 US soldiers died..."

Which means we also have a bond of blood. I'm sure you would have done the same for us.

38 posted on 05/23/2002 4:03:40 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Geez, you got me there. I will check it and be back tomorrow with an answer.

I thought the First Chamber could not stop the forming of a coalition. Formily the queen (Beatrix) can. I will look around.

39 posted on 05/23/2002 4:08:00 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Ronald Reagan clones! I'd like that. He is my favorite president.

Knighthawk, you can call him "Dutch" Reagan.

40 posted on 05/23/2002 4:16:20 PM PDT by Erasmus
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