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Messianic Jews and Israel
arutzsheva | 5-14-02 | S. Alfassa Marks

Posted on 05/20/2002 4:01:35 PM PDT by crystalk

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When the High Court Welcomes Messianic Jews by S. Alfassa Marks May 14, 2002

On February 20, 2002, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that the Interior Ministry must register as Jews those who were converted by the Reform or Conservative movements in Israel or abroad. This ruling has not only set in motion a wave which will flood Israel with non-Jews who actually think they are Jews, but has opened the flood gates to the proselytizing Christians. The Christian sect deceitfully calling itself ‘messianic Judaism’ is gaining incredible momentum and educating its members as to how to make aliyah.

Certain branches of Evangelical Christianity have spent over one billion dollars in the last decade to convert Jews to Christianity. Under the guise of ‘Jews for Jesus’ and ‘Hebrew Christians,’ a new threat of spiritual terrorism has emerged in the form of ‘messianic congregations,’ whose theological tenets are identical to the Christian fundamentalists who created them. Their ultimate goal is the eradication of the Jewish people through assimilation to Christianity.

Since the late 1950’s Eretz Israel has had a small population of evangelical Christians, as well as its share of Jewish converts to Christianity. Today, the latter call themselves ‘messianic Jews,’ but don’t let the term fool you — they are not Jewish. This is probably the only fact that both Maimonides and the secular Israeli Supreme court agree on. According to the Court, Christian converts from Judaism are no longer Jews under the ‘Law of Return,’ which deals primarily with Jewish immigration. Though the law is in effect, it is not one hundred percent effective. Christians under this ambiguous term ‘messianic Jews’ are in an active campaign to circumvent these regulations, with the end objective of making aliyah.

The ‘messianics’ have the specific intent of being accepted as Jews in Israel. So much so that they have developed a political action group that lobbies the government, even using Holocaust survivors that have converted to Christianity as spokespersons. These people have a highly strategic plan, are well financed by mainstream Christian groups and have a single goal, to remove Jews from following the faith of their ancestors. Calling it a “significant breakthrough,” messianic Judaism has been officially recognized by the Registrar of Non-Profit Societies, which is a department within Israel’s Ministry of Interior. There you will find this Christian group with an official sounding name Vaad Poala Lma’an Yahadut Meshichit (Action Committee for Messianic Judaism).

According to Yad L'achim (an Israeli anti-missionary organization) there are over 5,000 converts from Judaism in over 38 different groups. Just over a month ago, a Christian newspaper wrote an article about how Christians pretending to be Jews are on duty in the IDF and are ‘witnessing’ to Jewish soldiers about Jesus. The same newspaper talks about Jews in Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, who have all now adopted Christianity as their religion. These people have congregations in Israel where they worship their god and continually proselytize other Jews — with some measure of success.

Generally speaking, ‘messianics’ are Jews who have converted and worship Jesus (whom they call Yeshua). However, not all of these messianics are Jews from birth. There are many ‘messianic rabbis’ who are ‘converting’ Christians to Judaism, so these Christians can go missionize to ‘other Jews’ about Jesus. The messianics are also cranking out ‘Jewish Rabbis’ and ‘scholars’ with ‘Master of Theology in Rabbinical Studies’ degrees via the Internet. Anyone can get one. Simply pay the required few thousand dollars and they will send you the study from home material. When you are finished, then you too can convert Christians to ‘Judaism.’

By suggesting that messianics make aliyah from the West, their Christian backers are attempting to expand their influence and make further inroads into Israeli society. In Israel, they can integrate into society and, with a stealth approach, encroach on the Jewish populace. In America, these Christians even fill a few seats at many orthodox congregations. A few years ago, there was a notorious case of two Christians who were stopped from making aliyah after having spent at least a year living as orthodox Jews. Just recently, a Chabad House in Florida removed a Christian who had been there for several months deceiving the community into believing that he was a Jew. Why are they in our congregations? Because they want to appear to be Jews so that they can ultimately make aliyah and continue proselytizing inside Israel. Once they are armed with basic Jewish knowledge, they attempt to infiltrate genuine Jewish communities, spreading inaccurate and intentionally deceiving lessons from the Torah.

The lines are indeed blurring on who is a Jew, and who is not. ---------------------------------- S. Alfassa Marks is the Founder of the Judaic Alert News Service, which tracks the progress and activities of groups posing as authentic Jews. He is also a columnist for the Heritage, the Jewish newspaper of central Florida.

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To: crystalk
I don't quite understand how a Jew who comes to believe Jesus was the Messiah of the Old Testament is no longer a Jew. I thought Jewishness was conveyed by birth of Jewish mother or conversion. I know Israel has always been concerned with Jewish lineage.

But as long as one practiced Jewish rituals and had a Jewish mother, one was considered a Jew. The only way to un-become a Jew was to publicly declare oneself some other religion. Saying you believe the messiah has already come in the person of Jesus Christ is not the same thing as being baptised in the Catholic Church.

It is simply a disagreement with rabbinical scholars, who, in Judaism, do not hold the same sway over religious beliefs as do the Pope or Protestant Bishops.

After all that, I'm not Jewish, but this is my understanding.

21 posted on 05/20/2002 5:01:59 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: crystalk
g. He says in his p.6 that the MJ's (and thus by implic Christians).."worship Jesus"... a troubling formulation a Christian would never use...We worship God, one God, and Jesus only as and to the extent that he was an avatar or apparition of that God...a revelation of Him...Just as the Holy Spirit is an aspect or "side" or "part" from our limited human perspective, of God...he has revealed himself to man in those three ways, and still does so, in each of the three, every day, but it is not a Trinity of gods, but a trinity of manifestations, of one God to man. Or so I understand it, please disregard unfamiliar vocabulary...

Sounds like you are a Jehovah's Witness, or a Unitarian, or maybe even a "oneness" Pentecostal. I am a Baptist and a trinitarian as all Baptists and Protestants originally were, what are you?

22 posted on 05/20/2002 5:04:07 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: sonserae
Someone can't become Caucasian if they were born black...unless you are Michael Jackson of course.

Grin

23 posted on 05/20/2002 5:04:43 PM PDT by week 71
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To: week 71
Actually, to be 144,000 there would have to be 12,000, not ten thousand, from each tribe...if there were 12 tribes...

Halakha is a body of Jewish law, and it is usually referred to in connection with the rules as to who is a Jew, or as to how a non-Jew may lawfully and thus acceptedly, ever convert into that faith.

If a person is a Jew halakhically, he/she either was born to a Jewish mother, or underwent a full conversion process at the hands of an Orthodox rabbi qualified to perform such conversions, and this involves circumcision for a male, and immersion in a mikvah bath (origin of Christian custom of baptizing converts)...for either sex, as I understand it. Besides studying the mitzvahs and promising to try to keep them, although I think about 30 of the 613 are observed even by the so-called modern orthodox. So it looks to me...

Besides that, circumcizing young adult males is so onerous, I think that they just draw a tiny droplet of blood from the penis instead, the tiniest amount that can be seen on a white Kleenex...of course come to think of it, most Christians in the USA were already circumcized anyway, so go figure.

24 posted on 05/20/2002 5:05:37 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: crystalk
This is so true. We used to have a "messianic jew" in the office.

All she did was make her way thru the cubicals to preach.

She doesn't work here anymore...

25 posted on 05/20/2002 5:06:06 PM PDT by Maximus_Ridiculousness
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To: onedoug
You are exactly right. Until I had thoroughly studied, and understood, Judaism, I could not figure out what Christianity was even talking about. The Fear of Ha-Shem is the beginning of wisdom, the air of the Holy Land makes one wise, go to Jerusalem first, then everything else will be clear.
26 posted on 05/20/2002 5:10:05 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Actually, to be 144,000 there would have to be 12,000, not ten thousand, from each tribe...if there were 12 tribes

AAHH! Chagrin. I wrote 10,000 didn't I. Anyway thanks for the information about Halakha. I find that most useful. You too onedoug.

27 posted on 05/20/2002 5:10:49 PM PDT by week 71
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To: sonserae
I think you'd get a fair amount of reservation of those views from Jews who might point out that Christ was overly occupied with the life to come rather than living his mitzvot more seriously in this. The messianic aspects of Judaism usually seem more given to culmination than the continuation of man in even greater tension with God than before the resurrection. Though I certainly note your "Christian" points.
28 posted on 05/20/2002 5:11:42 PM PDT by onedoug
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Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
29 posted on 05/20/2002 5:13:18 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: sonserae
A Messianic Jew is actually completing his Judaism by accepting Christ as His Messiah.

I'm a bit rusty on Judaism, but my Jewish friends have explained to me very simply that though they believe Jesus lived, he was only a Profit. The Jewish people, or at least the practicing orthodox Jews I know, are still waiting for the coming of the Messiah.

Put Simply, Jesus was not he.

30 posted on 05/20/2002 5:19:44 PM PDT by Maximus_Ridiculousness
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To: razorbak
I warned you I was going to use unfamiliar vocabulary. So many Christians worship a given creed, or jargon, or fixed phrase 1700 years ago carved in stone, that they wouldn't even recognize their own ideas if restated in today's English, or if translated into Chinese, and then back into English!

Thank God we are not saved by uttering old verbal formulations we don't understand.

Nobody more mainstream than I, but above all don't mention the JW, they are a pet peeve of mine. I am a Trinitarian, but I do not believe in three gods. One god, three means or methods of appearing (relating) to Man, over time, and space, and from one man to another, from one day to another. In the Messianic age, all this will be clear to all, hopefully we can then laugh about our silly little verbal limitations here.

31 posted on 05/20/2002 5:19:57 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: onedoug
There is a group in Texas called The Christian Jew Foundation that puts out a great little paper, "Message of The Christian Jew" It is so very informative on things Jewish and it's relationship to Christianity. I've learned so much from it. Anyone who is interested, can visit the site at http://www.cjf.org
BTW, this article is a bunch of horse manure.
32 posted on 05/20/2002 5:20:57 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: crystalk
Under the guise of ‘Jews for Jesus’ and ‘Hebrew Christians,’ a new threat of spiritual terrorism has emerged in the form of ‘messianic congregations,’ whose theological tenets are identical to the Christian fundamentalists who created them. Their ultimate goal is the eradication of the Jewish people through assimilation to Christianity.

What hysterical foolishness. Their organizations are not a "guise," they tell you exactly what they are. "Spiritual terrorism"-- pulleese--spare us the demagoguery. Their ultimate goal is to witness to everyone about their faith in Christ--not to eradicate Jewish people. What venemous billious crock.

Could it be that their zeal might be due to the fact that their Messiah, a Jew, Jesus Christ of Nazareth commanded them:

Matt.28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: {teach...: or, make disciples, or, Christians of all nations} 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Rom.1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Christianity gives its followers a mandate to preach the gospel or witness to every person on the faith of the earth. And that we will do. If we made an exception for Jews, we would be anti-Semitic, not the other way around. Anyone has the freedom to share his faith, and anyone has the freedom to reject or to accept the message.

33 posted on 05/20/2002 5:21:23 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: RichardsSweetRose; Eyes Now Opened; Barak
Ping
34 posted on 05/20/2002 5:28:46 PM PDT by Liberty Belle
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To: razorbak
"g. He says in his p.6 that the MJ's (and thus by implic Christians).."worship Jesus"... a troubling formulation a Christian would never use...We worship God, one God, and Jesus only as and to the extent that he was an avatar or apparition of that God...a revelation of Him...Just as the Holy Spirit is an aspect or "side" or "part" from our limited human perspective, of God...he has revealed himself to man in those three ways...."

This "avatar" and "apparition" business is pretty far out of the mainstream of historic Christianity, or, for that matter, "Messianic Judaism." Jesus, Yeshua, has historically been understood as "fully God" and "fully man," though I'm sure it is possible to find, on occasion, variants...these would have to be called "christian heresies," under the title of "Docetism."

35 posted on 05/20/2002 5:29:40 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: razorbak
If only there was a billion dollars being spent! Outreach to Jews remains the poor stepchild of evangelical missions.
36 posted on 05/20/2002 5:38:23 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Ben F
Thought you might find this article interesting.
37 posted on 05/20/2002 5:44:25 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: WVNan
As you see from my comments, I don't much care for the tone of the article either, but it is still on such a vital subject that I went ahead and posted it warts and all. To get something out here to educate the FReepers on something important.

For an example of Messianic believers who really ARE believing and practicing Judaism, as well as EXCELLENT thoughts on a hundred subjects including Waco, see the Nazarene Judaism website and books of James Trimm, Society for Nazarene Judaism, Dallas, Tex. www.nazarene.net, or anything involving Trimm, Nazarene J, etc.

38 posted on 05/20/2002 5:45:56 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: WVNan
Thanks. I'll check it out. And I'll look back on this thread later this evening as it seems to have some more potential to get even more interesting.
39 posted on 05/20/2002 5:51:24 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: cookcounty
Again, I warned you I was going to use today's conversational English, and depart from frozen creedal language. My formulation probably could be improved slightly, but that is what Trinitarianism looks like if you get it out of the 4th century Greek of the Nicene creed.

The key point is; ONE God, not three.

Jesus was fully man, but also a manifesting of God and his nature and message to the world...as well as the early brief prior appearance of Mashiach, who at the end will reappear as the afikomen or "dessert," to rule all nations and usher in the Messianic age. May that be soon is my prayer.

40 posted on 05/20/2002 5:53:42 PM PDT by crystalk
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