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To: f.Christian
Where does libertarians demand moral responsibility?

In reality. If there were no consequences for immorality, there would be no need for morality.

Morality is not some arbitrary code of behavior; it is distilled wisdom from God, and from generations of our ancestors who learned the hard way just what was and was not a good idea. It is a rule of thumb that one can use to judge his actions and the likelihood of bad results, even if he is not experienced enough to fully appreciate the full ramifications of his actions. This is why it is useful to teach children morality, and why our society, that has turned away from such things, is in such a mess today.

There are, unfortunately, many who never graduate from 'morality as rules' to 'morality as wisdom'. Some continue to keep the childish view of things as adults, and fall into two categories: tattletales and brats.

Tattletales have not embraced the reasoning behind their morality, they simply obey, and feel compelled to force others to do so, as well. The problem with this, however, is that tattletales cannot fully embrace morality. All of the pieces do not fit together if we try to cram in the notion that we can compel others to behave morally. For example, it is, IMO, immoral to practice violence against someone simply for being foolish, and yet this is precisely what, say, the Drug War does.

On the other hand, we have the brats, who refuse to admit that the countless generations of humanity who have come before them, much less God, might possibly have answers to common human problems. As is typical amongst juveniles, they know everything there is to know. They also see the tattletales deliberately behaving immorally in the name of morality, point to such, and declare morality to be bunk. And then they end up spending years of their lives regretting their stupidity, assuming they even live that long.

I do not understand why so many who call themselves moral cannot appreciate the morality of forbearance. Morality, in the end, is wisdom. One cannot beat wisdom into a man; it is something he must acquire for himself. Attempting to do so will simply make him hate you and everything you stand for, and give him all the more motivation to defy you when your back is turned.

Reality _is_ morality.

Thraka

33 posted on 05/17/2002 10:20:36 PM PDT by Thraka
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To: Thraka
Main Entry: es·o·ter·ic
Pronunciation: "e-s&-'ter-ik
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin esotericus, from Greek esOterikos, from esOterO, comparative of eisO, esO within, from eis into; akin to Greek en in -- more at IN Date: circa 1660

1 a : designed for or understood by the specially initiated alone
b : of or relating to knowledge that is restricted to a small group

2 a : limited to a small circle b : PRIVATE, CONFIDENTIAL

- es·o·ter·i·cal·ly /-i-k(&-)lE/ adverb

Liberals deny--morph morality--reality...

libertarians inflate--float--bubble it away!

34 posted on 05/18/2002 1:00:23 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Thraka
That was great!
And if you don't mind, I'm going to plagiarize the heck out of it.
I get so sick of younger, more liberal folks saying there can't be any moral right or wrong because it all depends on "whose morality".
You've nailed it though - morality is the distilled wisdom of generations of human kind who have learned the hard way what is a good idea and what is not. We could learn on our own, but why not take advantage of the mistakes of others.
35 posted on 05/18/2002 2:49:45 PM PDT by MrB
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