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The Folly of Hybrid Electric Vehicles
AOL, U. S. Government | 05/14/02 | HMV

Posted on 05/14/2002 8:35:09 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid

AOL Proclaims "HEVs are Hot"! Unfortunately, the treatment of the subject matter is so superficial that it ignores facts that AOL even provides links to. Here is a quote from a government publication: "Although a few production HEVs with advanced batteries have been introduced in the market, no current battery technology has demonstrated an economical, acceptable combination of power, energy efficiency, and life cycle for high-volume production vehicles."

The truth is, these are not economical, safe or environmentally sound vehicles. First, the economical aspect. If the quote in the previous paragraph doesn't convince you, the fact that the AOL FAQs on HEVs document that replacement batteries can cost between $3000 and $8000 ought to get your attention. These batteries are good for 80,000 to 100,000 miles, but their life varies based on the type of driving patterns and habits.

The AOL articles tout the high mileage that the hybrid vehicles get. What they don't tell you is that these are sub-compact cars. A fully gasoline-fueled version of the Toyota Prius, for example, could be expected to get comparable gas mileage with less weight and complexity than an HEV, and with more trunk space. The thousands of dollars you pay for a new battery effectively doubles the cost per mile. You do, however, get good GAS mileage with the HEV, just not good battery mileage!!!

In an increasingly graying population, comfort is winning out over fuel efficiency. With comfort goes size. The average size of vehicles is getting larger every year, and unless we can reverse the aging process, people will continue to want roomy, comfortable cars and SUVs.

This does not bode well for the HEVs, most of which are in the subcompact category. In collisions, larger vehicles almost always win, smaller vehicles invariably lose. No matter how many safety features are built into a subcompact car, you cannot compensate for the laws of physics. You simply are more prone to die or suffer serious injuries in today's HEVs.

Accidents pose another risk. Exploding batteries, containing hazardous components like mercury, lithium, and lead, pose serious cleanup challenges. Further, according to the U. S. Government, most new battery designs are not yet fully recycleable, meaning that discharged batteries will have to be stored and protected until a recycling strategy has matured. Its like nuclear waste dump II.

There are many other factors to consider, not the least of which is technical complexity. The biggest issue is the codependency of the two engines. The gasoline engine must provide the power generating capability that the electric motor needs, the electric motor must provide the torque that the gasoline engine lacks. If either system fails or is degraded, performance will suffer dramatically, and render the auto either inoperable or dangerously underpowered.

A final factor to consider is the simple mass in the form of a battery that is hauled around with little value added. As we've discussed previously, a gas-powered Toyota Prius could be expected to get comparable gas mileage as its HEV counterpart, particularily if the same level of research and development is utilized in the design. What we have created is vehicle that is nothing more than a battery-hauler, in which the battery only contributes to the cost and inefficiency of the vehicle.

AOL is pursuing its own agenda here, and it is not one that is either practical or smart.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: aol; autosafety; energylist; pollution; transportationlist
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To: John Jamieson
Never caught on in North Dakota. No car has a battery that will get you the 130 miles from major town to major town in -30F weather with the heater, headlights, etc. going.

Just a high-tech deathtrap. A new, improved, vinyl scented way to freeze to death.

No thanks, I'll keep my '75 Chevy Van.(265,000 miles and counting!)

41 posted on 05/15/2002 12:38:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: daviddennis
I take it you meant "only a masochist would buy an Prius".
42 posted on 05/15/2002 12:53:14 AM PDT by DB
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To: WillaJohns
I get around 480 miles out of tank of gas in a Toyota Avalon and it is nice, comfortable and quiet inside.
43 posted on 05/15/2002 12:58:45 AM PDT by DB
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To: altair
i would further like to mention the greatest train of all, Kyoto and Osaka's Keihan. 400 yen ($3.20) for a 40 minute trip in the (compared to any train other than the shinknsen) luxurious double decker train or TV train car for no extra cost. I take the train all the time and I love Keihan lines. Another thing is that train lines in japan have GREAT ticket deals. Like the sun-san-san ticket (50$). Ride to Osaka, Kyoto, Nara, the beach resorts of Ise, Nagoya, and anywhere in between with no limit for 3 whole days. Also JR's Seijin Kippu is 100$ for 5 tickets , each ticket allowing you to ride for a whole day. Plus, in Japan, YOU CAN SMOKE ANYWHERE!!!!
46 posted on 05/15/2002 1:47:09 AM PDT by struggle
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To: 2Trievers
Somehow, I just cannot picture 2Trievers ever owning a Toyota Prius.


47 posted on 05/15/2002 2:28:02 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: enfield
I like to drive my car not work on it.

Thanks for the kind comment...

48 posted on 05/15/2002 2:31:59 AM PDT by DB
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To: Inge_CAV
LOL ... put a blade on it and it might make a cute lawn tractor! Haha &;-)

Then again, my speeding tickets would be a distant memory! Hehe

49 posted on 05/15/2002 2:41:17 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: 2Trievers
I suppose one would be handy to have aroound. Ya think it will fit in the trunk...........


50 posted on 05/15/2002 2:46:18 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: WillaJohns
A relevant quote to add to the discussion:

Overall, though, it's the bigness of the car that counts the most. Because when something bad happens in a really big car --- accidentally speeding through the middle of a gang of unruly young people who have been taunting you in a drive-in restaurant, for instance --- it happens very far away, way out at the end of your fenders. It's like a civil war in Africa; you know but it doesn't really concern you too much. On the other hand, when something happens in a little bitty car it happens all over. You get all involved in it and have to give everything a lot of thought. Driving around in a little bitty car is like being one of those sensitive girls who writes poetry. Life is just too much to bear. You end up staying at home in your bedroom and thinking up sonnets that don't get published till you die, which will be real soon if you keep driving around in little bitty cars like that. -- P.J. O'Rourke

51 posted on 05/15/2002 2:47:23 AM PDT by cgk
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To: Inge_CAV
WOW! Four Cs would fit in there ... mighty big rig there, mister! &;-)
52 posted on 05/15/2002 2:54:37 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: WillaJohns
"Is there a price one can put on not having your heart racing by the time you arrive at work or home? What price do you put on being able to hear the birds chirping while you're waiting at a stop light? How much is it worth to have a smile on your face cause what you're driving is not just transportation, it's entertainment?"

Call me arrogant and spoiled ... but this is heart racing transportaion ...

and this is how my date "quietly" entertains me on Fri night ...


53 posted on 05/15/2002 3:05:57 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: 2Trievers
A Yugo driving socialist's nightmare come true. : )
54 posted on 05/15/2002 3:06:26 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: 2Trievers
"this is heart racing transportaion ..."

Just how are you going to hear the birds chirp, if they are splattered across your windshield? : )

55 posted on 05/15/2002 3:13:20 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
I've said it before, and again...
Electrolycize water, either in the vehicle or at refueling depots, and use the hydrogen as a combustable material. Hell, you could even PEE in the tank and get a few miles out of it.
56 posted on 05/15/2002 3:28:52 AM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: 2Trievers
These hybrids are, of course, part of a vast left wing conspiracy to feminize the American male motorist and I, for one, am glad to see that you have not (yet) fallen victim to their insidious plot. As an antidote to this perversion, I would recommend a turn at the wheel of this vehicle for all who contemplate a purchasing some Casper Milquetoast automobile:


With regards (and tongue firmly in cheek),
Pt
57 posted on 05/15/2002 4:01:29 AM PDT by pt17
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To: pt17
I suddenly find my Fri nights free ... when will you pick me up? I'll leave the porch light on! LOL &;-)
58 posted on 05/15/2002 4:16:06 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: Inge_CAV
"Just how are you going to hear the birds chirp, if they are splattered across your windshield?"

They wouldn't dare! LOL &;-)

59 posted on 05/15/2002 4:18:12 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: Willie Green
If we can't stop terrorists from getting into airports, how are we going to protect a few thousand miles of railway? Can you imagine what would happen if one of those puppies derails in a population center?
60 posted on 05/15/2002 4:25:51 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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