Another argument against women in the military

[Garegaupa]

I've been reading many interesting discussions concerning women in the military on these boards, but there is one subject that has been little mentioned. I'd like to get some comments on that.

Just so that's clear: I'm against women in the military (in combat positions, at least, but I suppose most positions in the military will become combat positions during a conflict). I agree what has been said about women lacking the necessary physical strength and endurance, being more prone to injuries, disrupting unit cohesion, not being mentally suited for combat and so on.

But, many people say, if a woman can perform as well as a man, shouldn't she then be allowed to serve where she pleases. I still say no. And now we're getting to the point of this post:

I am (both as a Christian and as a man) thoroughly convinced that men should protect and cherish women, and that any man who would willingly send a woman to fight in his stead is a criminal.

Since this view (as far as I can see) hasn't come up too often in the debate over whether women should serve in the military or not, I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person left on the planet who thinks this is a good principle. Ladies and gentlemen, what are your opinions on this matter?

Best regards, Garegaupa

[Pylot]

It all boils down to hormones.

For those females that just have to go to war, just give em a testosterone patch and let em go.

Or put them in positions where their current hormonal make up is appropriate to the job. A lot of women have served with great distinction in the Military, but not on the front lines in hand to hand combat with enemy men.

Its not nice to argue with or to ignore Mother Nature. And this is not an argument, it is a fact that is just conveniently ignored.

A lot of females out there (and a lot of feminized men)are under some new age delusion that men and women are equal. Not so. Not now, not ever. Get over it.

Men rule the world, women rule the men.

Theres a reason for the phrase "opposite sex".

But if a woman really wants to be treated equally, then her constitution should be equal. And that requires a Testosterone patch, which can easily be applied.

[Don Myers]

"The very thought of a woman, any woman, being able to kick their ass is so emasculating to their ego that they want to legislate women into being their inferiors."

I think that you are looking at your own feelings and projecting them onto others. But, anyway, I no longer care whether women do serve in active military roles. If that is what they want, then let them do it. The modern young American woman is no longer something that a man would want to protect. And, they won't last long in the trenches, and the way will be open for the real fighters to come along later.

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[Future Snake Eater]

The very thought of a woman, any woman, being able to kick their ass is so emasculating to their ego that they want to legislate women into being their inferiors.

Wrong. Back to the drawing board with you.

[Don Myers]

"'Protect and cherish' is what we do to children, not other adults. Unless we're Liberals, of course."

Actually, protecting and cherishing is how men feel about their wives and daughers, if they love them. I guess that you know nothing about these feelings though. And saying that it is a liberal thing is handing them a compliment.

[hinckley buzzard]

Many men cannot deal with woman (sic) as human beings.

Entertaining, but no. That's not it. Speaking for yourself maybe.

Why not respond to the premise of the post rather than indulge in psychobabble?

[Mark17]

(I know, here comes the barrage about Christian wives not being what they should be, either.)

Absolutely correct. Too many on both sides are not what they should be.

[Washington_minuteman]

Anyone who has ever seen men die in combat does not need another reason to keep women out of combat.

[hinckley buzzard]

The point is, it's what is best for the mission. "The woman's choice" is for hair dressers.

We're talking combat, not female self-actualization-- unless you're a liberal, of course.

[CWRWinger]

IMO, all BATF, DEA, FBI, IRS agents should be 100% women. Weak, fat, ugly feminazis. All Home Defense personnel should be 100% women. All of them weak, fat and ugly feminazis.

[blastdad51]

As a christian ,husband , father, grandfather I get to weigh in on this big time. I have a daughter who is in the army she is curently on serving in Afghanistan. While she is over there my wife and I are careing for our two year old grandaughter. My daughter got pregnant while on duty in S. Korea during her first tour overseas. Her useless E-7 of a sprem donor will have nothing to do with his own little girl. Whenever you take young people and send them far away from home, they will do things that young people do and they will do them with far less inhibitions than if they were here at home. They will try to prove thier adulthood every chance they get. The more men and women are thrown together far from home the more problems arise. As of today she is at the Kandahar airbase living in a tent with the rest of her unit, there is one other female in her unit shareing a tent with about twenty guys!!! The only thing seperating them is a couple of blankets hung on ropes. Not only is this a great recipie for sexual harrasment complaints and or emotional entanglements but one for population growth. The last thing a combat unit needs is to function with this going on in the background. Combat units are a mans world where women aren't really welcome, men will be crude, vulgar and behave like animals and this will be offensive to the ladies. To be an effective fighting force we need our men to behave like men, if political correctness gets into the foxhole we will no longer be fielding warriors but panzies.

[nightdriver]

This will be argued along the wrong lines for all eternity. There is a much more practical argument that I do not see happening.

Look at the mathemetics. When we are talking war, we are talking about the potential decimation of an entire population. No country can be strong, militarily, without a sizable population.

How does a population get preserved, let alone recovered? Well by reproduction. A man can sire another human at least once a week, maybe twice a week. A woman can produce another human, at the most, once a year.

That little fact makes her at least one-hundred times more valuable than a man in terms of regenerating a population during and/or after a war.

To waste her in a stupid combat role is idiocy of the first order, in spite of the lunacy of Patsy Schroeder!

[cva66snipe]

I have no problem with women in non combat positions including tech fields such as missle operations and radar ect. I don't think they should be in combat deployed units or on combat ships. There's too much going on to have to worry about such things as proper attire while running to a fire, GQ, man overboard, or other time demanding task. Six months deployment on a ship are demanding under the best conditions this does not need to be made more stressfull.

I can think right off the top of my head over a dozen good reasons to divide the sexes in combat. It is an unescapable biological fact men and women are different in size, strenght, reactions, and endurance. It doesn't mean one is better it means both were created different and not just for the purpose of reproduction of the human race. Mans biological and psychlogical make up is for survival and killing. A womans is for nurturing. Even the bone make up in most woman make it difficult at best to preform under combat. Injuries are more common. I have yet to see any where that women must pass the exact same number for number physical qualifications as a man to pass basic training much less combat readiness.

True a lot of woman have served sucessfully but in our equality world we now live in how long till our military is ordered 50/50? I'll put it this way. If I'm 4 decks down at one on one in a fire and have my OBA fail or get hit with flash I hope there is someone capable of doing a fireman carry up those 4 decks or up a trunk. Yes I've seen a few women capable of that but it is the exception. Our active duty billets are now too limited and our defenses cut far too short to try experiments in social engineering in the military.

[wardaddy]

atheist and female....uh oh....

[wardaddy]

yep....and she pushed to buy Compaq in a flat and nearly saturated PC market.....

[Clifdo]

You gave one of the best reasons I can think of - you are an atheist!

[wardaddy]

ROTFLMAO.....what planet do you race on?

[opinionator]

You, obviously, don't have a lot of experience with women. They are very vicious when attacking. Especially, if their enemy is another woman. If every army was composed entirely of women you would see a bloodbath of biblical proportions.