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Stench Fills Jesus' Birthplace After Siege: PALIS TURN CHURCH INTO TRUCK STOP RESTROOM
Reuters ^ | May 10, 2002 03:44 PM ET | Paul Casciato and Michael Georgy

Posted on 05/10/2002 1:01:06 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl

BETHLEHEM, West Bank (Reuters) - The overwhelming stench of urine was the first thing to hit visitors who entered the shrine in Bethlehem revered as the birthplace of Jesus.

The standoff between Palestinian militants and the Israeli army at the Church of the Nativity, which came to an end on Friday after nearly 40 days and nights of high drama, had left one of Christianity's holiest places in a shocking mess.

Garbage bags, lemon peels, gas canisters, petrol cans and electric hotplates were scattered throughout the church off Manger Square. A Reuters correspondent saw altars, the sacred focus of Christian worship, covered with food scraps.

"It's not a church any more, it's a place filled with beds and trash," said Sandy Shahin, a local teenager who rushed into the church minutes after the end of the siege on Friday.

"The smell is too bad. The floor is too bad. I'm filled with fear," Shahin, a Roman Catholic, said between sobs.

It seemed almost a small miracle that the Grotto of the Nativity, where a silver star installed by the Catholics in 1717 is set in white marble over the exact spot where Christians believe Jesus was born, was immaculate.

A Reuters correspondent saw dusty mattresses, flak jackets and helmets, left behind by the Palestinian militants holed up in the church and scattered across the floor.

Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Armenian denominations share the fourth-century shrine, where areas of worship appeared to have escaped major damage in the standoff that included exchanges of gunfire between Israeli troops and the gunmen.

But the second floor of the Franciscan order's parish building in the complex looked like a war zone. Walls were pockmarked by bullet holes and scarred by smoke stains.

"I couldn't imagine something like this," said Manal Deik, a local banker, standing next to a bullet-riddled church wall which was also marked with graffiti scrawled in Arabic.

"We will repair it because the damage is not outside, it's inside and we can do something about that," said the 25-year-old Catholic.

Greek Orthodox priest Father Kariton, standing in the basilica near a pile of discarded gasmasks, added: "The most important things are okay, but the museum is a little damaged."

BICKERING

Soon after the militants left, priests from the often bickering denominations argued over whether to allow Israeli army bomb disposal experts in to make sure no explosives were left behind. The clergymen decided in favor of a sweep.

"We have found 40 explosive devices and five rifles hidden there and the IDF is dismantling them now," an army spokeswoman said.

Earlier, 13 men on Israel's most-wanted list left the church and were quickly flown on a British aircraft to Cyprus, the first stop in an exile abroad which will take them to third countries under a European Union-brokered deal.

Twenty-six others considered less serious offenders by Israel were expelled from the West Bank and taken to Gaza.

Some 200 people -- Palestinian militants, police, civilians, priests and nuns took refuge in the sanctuary to evade Israeli troops and tanks that swept into Bethlehem on April 2 in a West Bank offensive triggered by suicide bombings.

CROWD CHEERS

Outside the church on Friday, crowds of Palestinians cheered after Israeli armored personnel carriers pulled out of Manger Square. Church bells rang and cries of "Allahu Akbar," or "God is Greater" rang out from the loudspeakers of mosques.

Some of the 85 civilians, who returned to normal life in Bethlehem after undergoing an Israeli security check in a nearby army compound, were overjoyed at the prospect of simply taking a shower and eating a full meal for the first time in weeks.

After hugging and kissing emotional relatives who greeted them at Beit Jala Hospital near Bethlehem, the men said they asked themselves difficult questions during the standoff -- such as when Israeli snipers would fire next or food would run out.

"The Israelis had this tower with a remote control electronic device that fired on us whenever we were exposed. When we went outside we had to run away from it," said Naji Abu Obeid, a 19-year-old Palestinian policeman.

"We each had a safe spot in the church where we would hide such as behind columns," added Obeid, who said he used his AK-47 assault rifle to defend himself and others.

Israel, which engaged in lengthy negotiations with the Vatican and other interested parties over the church, strenuously denied firing into the shrine and said it did all it could to avoid damaging the Church of the Nativity.

Two Palestinian men were killed by gunfire in the church compound last month and another was later wounded.

NO STRANGER TO CONFLICT

A lemon tree stood in the Franciscan compound, its branches bare after those who had been holed up inside the shrine ate its leaves.

The church is no stranger to conflict. Samaritans destroyed much of the original church during a revolt in 529. Christian Crusader and Muslim armies fought over it for many years.

The church was rebuilt during the reign of the Roman Emperor Justinian in about 530 AD. Crusaders redecorated it and over the centuries it has been renovated and expanded with the addition of other chapels and monasteries around it.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel
KEYWORDS: braad; christianpersecutio; clashofcivilizatio; hughhewitt; israel
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Maybe the IDF should go piss on the Dome of the Rock.

If I ever get there the least I will do is spit on it.

61 posted on 05/10/2002 2:06:46 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Cinnamon Girl
"Jew" is an accepted term found in any dictionary. "Hebes" and "Palis" are contractions, that I strongly suspect both groups, to which they refer, would find derogatory. Is it possible you are being genuine in your protestations? I confess that my suspicions were that your position was probably more akin to that espoused by the particle from Texas in post #55 (who so eloquently corrected our spelling).

What is not clear from the article is whether any proper sewage disposal was left in place during the siege. I noticed that "Two Palestinian men were killed by gunfire in the church compound last month and another was later wounded". I wonder if any of them were perhaps attempting to relieve himself outside. I also wonder what any structure would look like, after dozens of people were confined there, for more than a month with amenities cut-off perceiving an imminent armed assault?

62 posted on 05/10/2002 2:07:56 PM PDT by US admirer
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To: Corporate Law
but an Ohio State Patrol car sits on I-75 next to the Islamic Center north of Cincinnati

The Fairfax County PD sits at the Dar Al Hijrah Islamic Center which was frequented by Muslim terrorists Hani Hanjour, Khalid al-Midhar, Majed Moqed and Salem Alhamzi, who hijacked the plane that hit the Pentagon.

Funny, Dar Al Hijrah Islamic Center is less than one mile straight down Leesburg Pike from the address where they all listed their phoney Virginia ID cards.

I presume they also sell those very popular Jihadist snuff flicks at the Dar Al Hijrah Islamic Center.

66 posted on 05/10/2002 2:15:01 PM PDT by angkor
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To: US admirer
You're right. It really wasn't fair of the IDF to not provide port-a-potties for the terrorists who refused to give themselves up.
67 posted on 05/10/2002 2:15:14 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: sheik yerbouty
You can bet they'd have to retaliate. Talk about your Pi$$ing contest!
68 posted on 05/10/2002 2:17:27 PM PDT by Goldi-Lox
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To: gridlock
Test
69 posted on 05/10/2002 2:18:16 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Cinnamon Girl
It looks like the clintoon whitehouse.
70 posted on 05/10/2002 2:18:52 PM PDT by arly
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To: Cinnamon Girl
look at that mess, these people are fighting for the right to self determination? They can't even keep their room clean or go to the potty by themselves.
71 posted on 05/10/2002 2:19:00 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: seamole;ArGee
As a member of BRAAD, I'd say the Palis need a severe ass whupin.
72 posted on 05/10/2002 2:19:18 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: kapn kuek
Hot Damn! I'm Catholic and I'm PO'd at the Israelis for attacking my church!

Um, I'm a little MORE PO'd about the Palis taking over the church.

73 posted on 05/10/2002 2:19:42 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: aShepard;Cinnamon Girl
Actually, it wasn't a mosque:

Israeli soldiers relieve themselves on the wall of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's compound in the West Bank city of Ramallah Friday March 29 2002. Sporadic gunfire and tank shell fire was heard as Israeli forces entered Ramallah, surrounding Arafat's compound and occupying some buildings within. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)




Click for Large Photo

And yes, it was funny.

74 posted on 05/10/2002 2:20:52 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: rageaholic
Why does the press call them "militants" ? They are terrorists.
75 posted on 05/10/2002 2:21:38 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Ah yes, obfuscation and avoidance. The mark of the intellectual debater. Goodbye.
76 posted on 05/10/2002 2:21:42 PM PDT by US admirer
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To: US admirer
I wonder if palestinians (or other reasonable individuals) would equate being called Palis, with those of Hebrew heritage being called Hebes? I suspect that your your editorializing serves little to further your position or cause.

The original Reuters article was titled Stench Fills Jesus' Birthplace After Siege so it should have been posted with that heading. But as far as using the word "Palis" I agree that that is incorrect since there are no "palestinians" in the first place. Just Egyptians, Arabs, Syrians, Jordanians, etc.

There don't seem to be such a people as "palestinians". Even the murderous homicide bomb making puppet master Arafat is Egyptian. But anyone can prove me wrong by quoting any "palestinian philosophers". Just do so in their native "palestinian" language.

77 posted on 05/10/2002 2:22:42 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: tomahawk
Test

Oh crap and I didn't study!

78 posted on 05/10/2002 2:25:04 PM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: snippy_about_it
Actually, it wasn't a mosque:

Thank You - My memory was faulty.

And yes, It was, and is, funny!!!

79 posted on 05/10/2002 2:26:18 PM PDT by aShepard
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