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To: Lorianne
This is NOT what the feminist movement is all about.

No one has a clue what the "feminist movement" is all about. All that's left of it are a bunch of sour, disgruntled college professors in "womyn's studies" who are most likely on the verge of retirement.

Most "revolutionary" feminist ideas have become entirely mainstream - read this and other conservative news sites on the plight of Afghani women, for example. There is a LOT of conservative support for the horrors women experience under sha'riah Islam, but these people wouldn't call themselves "feminist."

Feminism disgraced itself deeply in the 1970s not only when large parts of "the movement" adopted lesbian separatism (think Mary Daly) but when being a 'feminist' meant being pro-abortion.

Feminism also became entirely identified with political correctness. Women who were doing everything the feminists said women "should" do - like going to law school; starting their own radio programs and newspapers; getting involved in national lobbying, etc. were trashed entirely by feminists if they were politically conservative or politically "incorrect." (The example I gave refers to Phyllis Schlafly, by the way.) So feminism got tarred not only by the brush of abortion but by radical socialism/liberalism as well.

When the goddess worship got dragged in it entirely went to you know where, and that's why people around here, I imagine, just gag when they hear "typical" feminist rhetoric.

34 posted on 05/08/2002 3:42:12 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: valkyrieanne
Feminism disgraced itself deeply in the 1970s not only when large parts of "the movement" adopted lesbian separatism ....

This is a bogus claim. The vast majority of feminists (like the vast majority of women) is heterosexual. I agree that lesbians tried to usurp feminism, but they failed. This is old news. The fact that (as you yourself admitted) core feminist values are now "mainstream" and lesbians are still only 5% or less of the female population** is proof of that.

**By the way, there are a lot more homosexual men. Homosexual men are estimated at 10% (some say 15%) of the male population. But I don't see a big commotion about men vis a vis .... being politically active makes men homosexual. Yet another double standard (Call politically active women lesbians).

.... when being a 'feminist' meant being pro-abortion.

Not all feminists are pro-abortion. There is a large minority who aren't. Granted, they are in the minority, and this speaks ill of feminism in my view, but it is no reason to abandon feminism. In fact it is all the MORE reason for Conservative and pro-Life women to get involved in politics and make their voices heard loud and clear and join organizations like:

http://www.feministsforlife.org/

http://www.geocities.com/johnaugus/modernquotes.html

http://www.priestsforlife.org/articles/nwclstmt.html
40 posted on 05/08/2002 4:11:05 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: valkyrieanne
True on all points I hate political correctness.
58 posted on 05/08/2002 7:49:09 PM PDT by weikel
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