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Newton's Constant -- Not So Constant?
Newswise ^ | 5/8/2002 | Mike Martin

Posted on 05/08/2002 7:29:49 AM PDT by Nebullis

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. May 3 (UPI) -- A Russian physicist at MIT -- the Massachusetts Institute of Technology -- has announced experimental data that may topple one of science's most cherished dogmas -- that Newton's constant of gravitation, famously symbolized by a large "G," remains constant wherever, whenever and however it is measured.

"My colleagues and I have successfully experimentally demonstrated that the force of gravitation between two test bodies varies with their orientation in space, relative to a system of distant stars," Mikhail Gershteyn, a visiting scientist at the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center, told United Press International from Cambridge.

The idea that forces on bodies may vary relative to the orientation of distant stars has a powerful historical precedent in "Mach's Principle," a term Einstein coined in 1918 for the theory that eventually led him to his biggest breakthrough -- general relativity.

Swing a bucket of water at the end of rope and centrifugal forces pull it up and away. These forces result from the combined gravitational pull of all the distant stars and planets, Austrian physicist Ernst Mach wrote. Any change in the orientation of heavenly bodies would affect forces on matter everywhere, so powerful is their combined effect. The idea that G may change with respect to the way a body is positioned relative to the rest of the universe is simply an example of Mach's adage: matter out there affects forces right here.

Newton's gravitational constant G "changes with the orientation of test masses by at least 0.054 percent," according to Gershteyn's experiments, a remarkable and unprecedented finding that has landed his paper on the subject in the June issue of the journal Gravitation and Cosmology.

"The fact that G varies depending on orientation of the two gravitating bodies relative to a system of fixed stars is a direct challenge to Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation," Gershteyn told UPI. "The existence of such an effect requires a radically new theory of gravitation, because the magnitude of this effect dwarfs any of Einstein's corrections to Newtonian gravity."

Isaac Newton first described G in 1687 as a fundamental component of his universal law of gravity. Two masses, Newton said, attract one another with a force proportional to their mass that falls off rapidly as the bodies move farther and farther apart. Albert Einstein later used G in his own field equations that fine-tuned Newton's original laws.

The constant G puts precise limits on gravity's attractive force and appears in equations that describe any gravitational field, whether the field is between planets, stars, galaxies, microscopic particles or rays of light. Centuries of measurement have firmly fixed the value of G at 6.673 x 10 raised to the power minus 11 cubic meters per kilogram per square second.

If G varies under any circumstances, scientists would have to rewrite virtually every physical law and a long-accepted feature of the Universe -- isotropy, or the condition that a body's physical properties are independent of its orientation in space.

"Gershteyn and his coworkers lay an extraordinary and very interesting claim which -- if proven true -- would change our view of the universe," Lev Tsimring, a research physicist with the Institute for Nonlinear Science at the University of California San Diego, told UPI. "In a well-controlled experiment, the authors proposed to measure the gravitational force between two bodies with respect to the orientation of the experimental setup to distant stars," Tsimring explained. The experiment, he said, would seek to detect gravitational anisotropy -- the condition that the attractive force between bodies would vary with respect to their spatial orientation, not their separating distance.

"The latest paper by the authors -- in collaboration with an experimentalist who is a well-respected specialist in precisely that kind of measurement -- provides strong evidence in favor of the validity of the author's original claim," Tsimring said.

Gravitation and Cosmology editor Kirill Bronnikov agreed.

"The evident merit of the paper by Mikhail Gershteyn et. al. is the information of a possible new effect, discovered experimentally -- the effect of anisotropy related to Newton's constant G," Bronnikov, told UPI from Moscow, Russia. "So far the possibility of such an effect has only been discussed theoretically."

"The authors of this paper make some extraordinary claims in a legitimate journal," George Spagna, chairperson of the physics department at Randolph-Macon College, told UPI from Ashland, Va. "But they do not provide enough of their data or theoretical justification. They must provide much more information to be convincing."

Other scientists will need to provide "more detailed and independent experiments to confirm and elaborate the experimental results obtained in Gershteyn's paper," Lev Tsimring told UPI. "I cannot exclude that there might be other ways of explaining this anisotropy within conventional theory, but I believe that Gershteyn's results are convincing."


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1 posted on 05/08/2002 7:29:49 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Scully, RadioAstronomer
For your bump list.
2 posted on 05/08/2002 7:30:41 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
My colleagues and I have successfully experimentally demonstrated that the force of gravitation between two test bodies varies with their orientation in space, relative to a system of distant stars

If so, there should be detectable anomalies in the orbits of asteroids that orbit at an inclination to the ecliptic.

4 posted on 05/08/2002 7:39:38 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Nebullis
Mach's Principle
5 posted on 05/08/2002 7:40:39 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: SlickWillard
pong
6 posted on 05/08/2002 7:40:55 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Nebullis
Not a very skilled leg-pull. Rederic
7 posted on 05/08/2002 7:47:48 AM PDT by rederic
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To: Nebullis
The "gravity" of the situation lies in the fact that it shakes the very foundations of every formula in modern physics.
8 posted on 05/08/2002 7:53:10 AM PDT by NetValue
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To: Nebullis
Swing a bucket of water at the end of rope and centrifugal forces pull it up and away. These forces result from the combined gravitational pull of all the distant stars and planets, Austrian physicist Ernst Mach wrote.

?

I am searching my peanut-sized brain for memories of high-school physics...spitballs ...the clingy sweater on the pigtailed girl ... sorry ... ah yes!

It went something like this: There is no "centrifugal force", inertia makes a body continue in a straight line once it has been set in motion, but the rope and the earth's gravity prevent that (disregarding friction). There was nothing about "pull of all the distant stars and planets". In fact, we were told that astrology was laughable precisely any gravity effect from the planets or stars was so immeasurably small as to be entirely negligible.

Was I told wrong, or this journalist full of it?

9 posted on 05/08/2002 8:00:23 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: tictoc
I thought all forces were 'relative' to the observer. Damn. I'll have to break out Hawking's book again...
10 posted on 05/08/2002 8:13:09 AM PDT by jbstrick
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To: Nebullis
Newton's gravitational constant G "changes with the orientation of test masses by at least 0.054 percent,"

That is quite a large amount actually. When I started reading, I thought it would be something like .0000005474% or something like that. Seems to me this should be confirmable by others..

But it really doesn't matter... there is no "gravity". Truth be told, matter sucks.

11 posted on 05/08/2002 8:37:01 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: Nebullis
Is this a hoax? .05% is way too huge to be plausible. G has been measured to some ridiculous accuracy. I have to believe something like this would have been noticed before. In fact, I have to believe that a discrepancy of .05% would show up in planetary orbits, or in calculations of missile trajectories. N f-ing way.
12 posted on 05/08/2002 8:47:10 AM PDT by Linda Liberty
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To: Linda Liberty
The Two-body assumption would never have worked.

He must be looking for a grant in order to stay in the US.

13 posted on 05/08/2002 8:55:44 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: jbstrick
Yes but it's a smiling Der Elter whose always observing...
14 posted on 05/08/2002 8:57:30 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Linda Liberty
Is this a hoax?

Not exactly a hoax. It ties in to the recent Notes from a parallel universe thread. This fellow is dead serious.

15 posted on 05/08/2002 9:22:33 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: tictoc
Your not wrong. This guy is full of it!
16 posted on 05/08/2002 9:26:44 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: Louis Jones
Heck, I can lose more than that just by switching scales...
17 posted on 05/08/2002 9:30:59 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: tictoc
See the link at post#5.
18 posted on 05/08/2002 9:39:50 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: steve-b
If so, there should be detectable anomalies in the orbits of asteroids that orbit at an inclination to the ecliptic.

I can't believe the variation is as big as this article claims. SOMEBODY would have noticed the effects on orbiting bodies.

19 posted on 05/08/2002 9:40:18 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: tictoc; Physicist
According to the Theory of Special Relativity, the laws of physics should work the same regardless of your "frame of reference" (i.e. your velocity of movement relative to some other observer).

The Theory of General Relativity extends this principle to accelerated frames of reference (i.e. your velocity and acceleration relative to some other observer should be irrelevant). For instance, if you're in a rocket accelerating at 50 m/s^2 (relative to the earth), you should get the same results if you make your measurements on the assumption that the rocket is standing still and the entire universe is accelerating at 50 m/s^2 in the opposite direction.

However, the first observation you'd make in such a situation is that you're getting squashed under 5 Gs. This must be explained in a manner consistent with either frame of reference. If we use a frame of reference in which the rocket is accelerating, then the G effects come from the fact that the couch you're sitting in is exerting a force upon you to make you accelerate along with it. If we use a frame of reference in which the rocket is standing still and the rest of the universe is accelerating, then the G effects come from gravitational effects produced by accelerating the entire universe at 50 m/s^2.

I've paged Physicist in case I garbled the explanation.

20 posted on 05/08/2002 9:53:33 AM PDT by steve-b
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