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1 posted on 05/06/2002 7:33:30 AM PDT by oursacredhonor
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I love Ron Paul!
2 posted on 05/06/2002 7:47:07 AM PDT by Dixie republican
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--I am not usually a supporter of work stoppages but it looks to me like the only way to get action on this is for the pilots to issue an ultimatum--"we are armed by thus and such date or the planes don't fly"-period.
3 posted on 05/06/2002 7:54:05 AM PDT by rellimpank
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From World Net Daily, May 03, 2002...

APSA says Congress already authorized pilots to carry guns in cockpits in airline security legislation signed by President Bush last fall. But the provision leaves the decision up to Transportation Security Administration chief John Magaw.

Magaw held discussions about arming pilots with Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta earlier this week, but no decision had yet been made, reported the Post.

One Transportation official told the paper that a decision was likely by next week.

World Net Daily

Figured I'd better get this in now before the Bush bashers get here from the other thread.

4 posted on 05/06/2002 7:59:46 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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Yep..Mineta worried about bus drivers and train crews wanting to be armed if pilots are. Most of these guys are prior military or currently assigned reservists trusted with 30mm cannons 500lb bombs and other assorted munitions...and cant be trusted with handguns? When I compare these guys to what we've seen lately from our affirmative action LEOs and armed mall security found out to be prior felons...well...it doesnt make a whole lot of sense. But then again "What's sense got to do with it"
6 posted on 05/06/2002 8:32:58 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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The pilots don't need Bushs' or Manettas' ok .. they need to "walk" .... Three days max and the Pres and all his globalist buddies would get the message .... This is no Bush bash ... he's only an infection in the sore called "Pilots with no stones". No group in America is better poised to strike for themselves and the Country but they love the big bucks more than they love the Republic !
7 posted on 05/06/2002 8:48:34 AM PDT by Marobe
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Pilots with guns scare ABC's Cokie Roberts because "airplanes is one of the few places I feel safe from guns. Having some pilot who's gone off his nut for some reason running around with a gun does not make me feel safe." This Week co-host Sam Donaldson stood with Roberts against guns, even when pressed by George Will about whether he wished the pilots had guns on September 11th.

During the roundtable segment on the May 5 This Week with, for now, Sam Donaldson and Cokie Roberts, Donaldson raised how commercial airline pilots have signed a petition to allow them to carry guns in the cockpit.

The prospect horrified Roberts, who denounced the idea: "I don't feel safer. Airplanes is one of the few places I feel safe from guns. Having some pilot who's gone off his nut for some reason running around with a gun does not make me feel safe."

George Stephanopoulos, the future solo host of the program, pointed out: "That's always a danger. That person is always in control of the plane and could fly it into the ground if he wants to..."

George Will quipped: "It is the case, I think, that support for pilots being armed increases as people have more and more experience with so-called airport security."

Will soon asked Donaldson: "Do you or do you not wish the pilots on September 11th had been armed? Yes or no Sam."
Donaldson: "Well I wish that somebody-"
Will: "That's not a yes or a no."
Donaldson: "Well, when I asked Secretary Powell for a yes or a no question we heard two or three minutes and I and I'm happy to do it."
Will: "The prosecution rests."
Roberts interjected: "Suppose the hijackers had pulled the gun out of the pilot's hand if the pilot had a gun?"
Donaldson came to Roberts' side: "I don't know whether it would have made any difference. If it could have made a difference of course you would want it to happen. But I think, in the long run, guns in the cockpit are not a good idea. I join Cokie."

What if the hijacker would have pulled the gun out of the pilot's hand? C'mon Cokie! What would have happened? Tell us!

What if the pilot had killed the guy entering the cockpit? Cokie, you ignorant slut...

8 posted on 05/06/2002 9:38:12 AM PDT by hattend
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Minetta and Ridge have both proven to be bad appointments. Minetta especially.
10 posted on 05/06/2002 9:49:03 AM PDT by Cicero
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but these people are saying a device to propel 1/2 oz of metal at 950fps (a .45ACP pistol) is too dangerous for a pilot to handle, but a device which can propel over 250,000 pounds of aluminum and jet fuel at the same speed(*) is not?

(*)I don't think a typical jetliner can survive such speeds, but my understanding is that in a powered dive many jetliners can break the sound barrier. The airframe will also be broken by such a stunt, but the pieces would for awhile anyway be travelling at about the speed of sound--faster than a .45ACP bullet.

16 posted on 05/06/2002 11:13:18 PM PDT by supercat
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