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C# striking a chord with programmers
CNET News.com | May 3, 2002, 3:35 PM PT | Wylie Wong

Posted on 05/04/2002 11:54:48 AM PDT by Bush2000

Microsoft's new C# programming language is gaining in popularity, with usage nearly doubling in the last six months, a new study shows. C# is Microsoft's new Java-like language and a crucial piece in the software company's .Net Web services strategy, in which software is made available over the Net to be accessed by multiple devices, such as PCs, cell phones and handhelds.

Twelve percent of all North American software developers have begun using C#, up from 7 percent six months ago, according to a new survey by market research firm Evans Data. The firm also predicts that the number of programmers using C# will double to 24 percent in the next year.

The majority of developers using C# are only dabbling with the new language, however. Most current C# programmers are using the new language for less than 20 percent of their development work, choosing other languages for the brunt of their work, the survey of about 800 developers showed.

C# is not displacing any languages, because most C# users are trying out the technology instead of committing to it wholeheartedly, an Evans Data representative said.

Evans reports that C# is popular among users of Microsoft's Visual Basic programming language and among those developers using Extensible Markup Language (XML). The C# language is less popular with Java developers, Evans reports.

Microsoft is using C# in its battle for software developers. The company's .Net Web services plan is up against rival technologies sold by Sun Microsystems, inventor of the Java language, and other Java backers, such as Oracle, IBM and BEA Systems


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: c; microsoft; techindex
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To: expatriot
If you want to know why CA broke the rules to buy ORACLE it is simple, MSFT has yet to deliver to the enterprise.

Ah, you swallowed the red pill. Pity. Get back in your feeding pod.

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21 posted on 05/05/2002 12:21:08 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: ikka
Crappy runtime + incompatibility with most Unixes + poor scalability + paid astroturf advertorials like this + 90% current MS market share in OSes = ?

MS is taking a page from your ABMer bigots' playbook:


22 posted on 05/05/2002 12:23:55 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: CTB999
"MS added a bunch of very cool features to VB that is backward compatable with VB 6.0..."

That's just plain wrong. VB.Net is in no way, shape, or form backwards compatible with VB 6.

Try using the DEFINT command in Dot Net. Try using the Goto command. Try using the Gosub/Return commands in Dot Net. They aren't there any longer.

Dot Net may have some cool new features in it, but don't kid yourself about it being backwards compatible. It isn't. Less than 40% of VB 6 code will compile in Dot Net. The object property differences in .frms/.frxs alone is staggering...

Now, if all you've ever written are Hello World programs for your college profs, I can understand that you wouldn't comprehend that MS threw out the backwards compatibility baby with the bathwater, but if someone is paying you money for your VB knowledge, then they deserve what they've got...

23 posted on 05/05/2002 12:41:16 AM PDT by Southack
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To: expatriot
I'm sitting down to the ... blah, blah, blah ...

Have you ever considered a new line of work? This one doesn't seem to be working for you...
24 posted on 05/05/2002 3:28:36 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: duckman
Don't waste your time with C#, EZTRIEVE is the language of the future.

Yeah, right. So's Cobol. If you want to narrow your career choices ...
25 posted on 05/05/2002 3:31:50 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: expatriot
I'm seriously working on this crap, and if I'm having difficulty... what about the associated costs to the ignorant

Mensa, you ain't...
26 posted on 05/05/2002 3:33:06 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
For everyone screaming that no one will use C#, let them. I am kicking butt in the market and have three major players buying .NET architecture projects right now. Of course, these guys were sick of hearing how .NET sucks by people who don't know the diff between C# and VB.NET, and, yes, there are significant differences. (Hint: Look up 'overloading'.) A few J2EE guys tried to sell them Java. They thought that was funny. Every developer I have talked to has tried C# and is asking for .NET projects to work on. Even a die-hard assembly/C++ friend of mine is now studying .NET and C#, and loves it. He is also finding it not that much of a hurdle to learn the basics and get deep into .NET.
31 posted on 05/05/2002 7:40:27 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: You are here
Do you remember when the UNIX crowd poo-poo'd VB because it was, at the time, byte interpreted, but when Java came out, which is also byte interpreted, they loved it and byte-code interpretation no longer mattered?

This C# vs. Java things seems the same. The bigots are the same. If Microsoft produces it, it must suck. If a UNIX company produces it, it must be good.

32 posted on 05/05/2002 7:47:17 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Southack
"Try using the DEFINT command in Dot Net. Try using the Goto command. Try using the Gosub/Return commands in Dot Net."

If that's what you are using VB6 for, your code sucks. None of those three items have been a best practice.

I have a 25 KLOC program that converted completely, and runs without changes. The VB.NET upgrade wizard for VB6 worked perfectly. Of course, that won't be the case with all programs, but for many mainstream, conservative programs, it will be.

33 posted on 05/05/2002 7:52:00 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: expatriot
"No wonder tech is in the crapper, it happened because of the influence of Msft."

You still doing those drugs, eh?

34 posted on 05/05/2002 7:53:53 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican
For everyone screaming that no one will use C#, let them.

I agree with you. I really like C#. It is a much much easier syntax than C/C++ for me. It is, like Java and unlike C, a rich language. You have to go searching for the class that will do the job but it is probably there.

I started from scratch using the DotNet SDK and had a website up and running in nothing flat. I am now using the website and VS.Net to learn ASP.Net and C#. This is a great system, easy to learn and easy to use and I haven't found any fatal flaws yet.

Also, my opinion on the VB.Net versus C#.Net issue: I think the "Real Programmers" will move to C#.net rather than VB.Net becuase it is a more natural evolution from either their C/C++ or Java roots. The Visual VB people will probably stick with VB.net even though this is a big change for them. Performance-wise there is probably not going to be a huge difference so the choice is really just one of personal preference.

Try it, you will like it.

Disclaimers: I don't work for Microsoft. I like Java. I even like Visual FoxPro. I like Oracle. I don't like the Governor of California.

36 posted on 05/05/2002 8:02:37 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Bush2000
Thanks for posting the info on Microsoft SQL Server kicking the Hell out of the competition on enterprise performance and cost. I use such numbers, and numbers from my own projects, to sell against Oracle. Of course, when I show the cost is less than half of Oracle, my customers buy Microsoft in an instant.

I get tired of so-called "conservatives" bashing Microsoft out of envy and fear and ignorance. I thought those two qualities were the marx of liberals. I don't necessarily support MS in these discussion because I like them. I do it because I am tired of liberals trying to tear down the fabric of this nation, which includes our corporations, which liberals call "evil".

Ever notice that the liberals want the government to put MS out of business? Just like a pretty liberal. These ladies want big daddy to do their bidding. That is why I am here. I am sick of the liberal infestations.

37 posted on 05/05/2002 8:03:59 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: InterceptPoint
You like FoxPro?? OUT! OUT! DEMONS OF STUPIDITY!!! (Just kidding!)
38 posted on 05/05/2002 8:05:29 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: InterceptPoint
Your experiences are common and a good thing. You took a project and were up and running quickly, while you saw advanced capabilities that you can make use of later. .NET provides far more than 99% of the developers know about.

I hate to say it, but ASP created a class of programmer that knows little about structured or object programming. That learning curve will most likely be the biggest hurdle, as it was in 1991 with going from C to C++.

39 posted on 05/05/2002 8:10:03 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Pinlighter
"I Hate Microsoft bump :-(("

At least there is no FUD about that statement. I can't argue with opinion! LOL!

40 posted on 05/05/2002 8:12:54 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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