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Cardinal's words on gay priests surprise scholars
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Fri, May. 03, 2002 | JIM REMSEN

Posted on 05/03/2002 6:38:30 PM PDT by history_matters

Cardinal Anthony M. Bevilacqua's sweeping rejection of gay men becoming priests diverges from mainstream thinking by U.S. Catholic theologians and policymakers, a range of church scholars said in interviews this week.

But his remarks echoed a little-known Vatican decree issued four decades ago that may come into play as church leaders labor toward a national response to the sex-abuse scandal in the church.

Upon his return last week from the cardinals' summit conference in Rome, Cardinal Bevilacqua weighed in on the debate about gays in the priesthood - a hot issue in the scandal - with a categorical pronouncement.

No "homosexually oriented" men, not even chaste ones, are "suitable candidates" for the priesthood, he told a news conference, because heterosexual celibates "are giving up" the good of family and children, while gay celibates give up what the church considers "a moral evil."

With his remarks, and the hard line taken against homosexuals at the archdiocese's St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Wynnewood, Cardinal Bevilacqua has put himself in the front rank of church conservatives who staunchly oppose the ordination of gays.

The cardinal's views reflect an antipathy toward homosexuality that is found in the Catholic catechism, but his statements about banning even celibate gay priests surprised most of the 14 Catholic theologians and other experts contacted for comment. Two of the 14 voiced support.

Most said the dominant view among theologians, bishops, seminary officials and other policymakers is that the decisive factor should not be a candidate's sexual orientation but whether he is "acting out" sexually.

"He's the first one I've heard make this particular argument" distinguishing between gay and straight celibacies, said the Rev. John Baldovin, professor of historical and liturgical theology at Weston Jesuit School of Theology in Cambridge, Mass.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered" and "contrary to the natural law," while urging tolerance toward gays and saying they are "called to chastity."

But to say homosexual orientation alone disqualifies a person for diocesan priesthood takes church teaching into an area where doctrine is unsettled, several of the theologians said.

Church leaders "weren't willing to admit for the longest time that they had gay people in the priesthood," said Father Baldovin, so "nobody was trying to construct the difference between straight celibacy and gay celibacy."

Cardinal Bevilacqua is a canon lawyer, not a degreed theologian, but he has the last word on this matter in the archdiocese, as any reigning bishop has over a diocese. Unless rules bearing papal authority are imposed - which has not occurred regarding gays in diocesan seminaries - a bishop can interpret scripture and doctrine as he sees fit.

Cardinal Bevilacqua will have no further comment on his statements, archdiocese spokeswoman Catherine Rossi said.

The Rev. Joseph A. Komonchak, a theologian at the Catholic University of America in Washington and a consultant to the U.S. Catholic Bishops Conference's committee on doctrine, was among the theologians who questioned the cardinal's views.

A gay person "can't give up his orientation," Father Komonchak said. "... That particular application of theology I've never heard before. If it's anywhere in church teaching, I've never seen it."

A Catholic University colleague, theology professor John Grabowski, said he had seen the cardinal's position "argued by a few others, but I must say it's not a common position... . It's an isolated view."

Grabowski said the argument "doesn't work. The church does teach that homosexuality is an objective disorder, but every person has disordered inclinations. That's the human condition. I don't know how you can bar a person from ordination because of that."

The opposite view was voiced by the Rev. Ray Ryland, who teaches theology at Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio.

"I have not come across this distinction [on gay celibacy] that the cardinal makes, but I think he's quite right in saying it," Father Ryland said. "As a prudential judgment, I agree that persons of that orientation should not be admitted to the priesthood because of the very grave temptations they face" in seminary and parish life.

The Vatican has taken a similar stance. In 1961, Pope John XXIII issued a decree concerning people entering convents, monasteries and other religious orders. The directive, which remains valid, instructs that "those affected by the perverse inclination to homosexuality or pederasty [man-boy love] should be excluded from religious vows and ordination."

Scholars said the decree, developed by the Sacred Congregation for Religious, does not apply to diocesan seminarians. According to Catholic News Service, Vatican officials are considering updating and reissuing the document as part of their internal discussion about whether to impose standards for selection and training of priests.

The matter of gays in the priesthood has emerged as a thorny aspect of the abuse scandal. Some Catholic conservatives, noting that many of the reported molestations have involved priests and older boys, have renewed their complaints about the relatively high number of gay priests.

Gay priests and rights activists have said the cardinal and other conservatives are scapegoating gay priests. Homosexuals, they argue, are no more likely to be pedophiles than anyone else, and no more likely to break their promise of priestly celibacy than heterosexuals.

In his news conference last Friday, Cardinal Bevilacqua said without elaborating that he believed gay priests were at a "much higher" risk of becoming sexually active. "When a heterosexual celibate chooses to become a celibate in the priesthood," the cardinal said, "he's taking on a good - that is, his own desire to become a priest - and he's giving up a very good thing, and that is, a family and children that could follow. That would not be true of a homosexually oriented candidate. He may be choosing the good, but... he's giving up what the church considers an aberration, a moral evil."

The Rev. Donald Cozzens, a onetime Cleveland seminary rector and the author of The Changing Face of the Priesthood: A Reflection on the Priest's Crisis of Soul, said the cardinal's priesthood theology harked back to the tradition of asceticism. But the church, he said, primarily teaches that a person chooses priestly celibacy "because it feels like the path God has ordained for me for spiritual maturity, not as an ascetical practice like giving something up for Lent... . His framing of the issue is creative. It is fairly new to my ears."

The Rev. Richard McBrien, a theology professor at the University of Notre Dame and a former president of the Catholic Theological Society of America, said Cardinal Bevilacqua's outlook seemed to be based on "a fundamentalistic interpretation of Scripture" that "no one with any serious scholarly credentials in the field of biblical studies" shared.

The cardinal's point of view is "rather fundamentalist," said the Rev. Don Clifford of St. Joseph's University, a longtime professor of dogmatic theology.

Further, the 72-year-old priest said, "many people who had the most positive influence on me, on reflection, were very likely gay... . They presumably were living chaste lives and had tremendous influence on their ministries."

The debate about gays is part of a "long-term discussion" within the church, Father Clifford said, and "I always bet on the Holy Spirit to see how it comes out."


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To: Angelique
Someone can correct me, but I think that the AIDS rate is higher among priests than among the typical American male.
81 posted on 05/03/2002 8:28:34 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: mississippi red-neck
And then find out the hard way?
82 posted on 05/03/2002 8:29:04 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
Someone can correct me, but I think that the AIDS rate is higher among priests than among the typical American male.

And if Duesberg is correct and it is the drugs the gays use that cause AIDs then these priests who have AIDS are REALLY active in the gay scene
84 posted on 05/03/2002 8:31:21 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: sinkspur
Bevilacqua's strange theology is contradicted by Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, who said "how will we know who is homosexual and who is not, if they are celibate?"

Also try the Bible. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Maybe believing in a church won't effect such a miracle. But trusting directly in Jesus Christ for one's eternal life, will.

85 posted on 05/03/2002 8:32:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: history_matters
No "homosexually oriented" men, not even chaste ones, are "suitable candidates" for the priesthood, he told a news conference, because heterosexual celibates "are giving up" the good of family and children, while gay celibates give up what the church considers "a moral evil."

Bravo!

86 posted on 05/03/2002 8:34:35 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: RobbyS
I think that is the distinction that Father Neuhaus made on Sunday:

Thanks for the name. He was such a clear speaker.

87 posted on 05/03/2002 8:35:45 PM PDT by maica
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To: history_matters
In 1961, Pope John XXIII issued a decree concerning people entering convents, monasteries and other religious orders. The directive, which remains valid, instructs that "those affected by the perverse inclination to homosexuality or pederasty [man-boy love] should be excluded from religious vows and ordination."

Scholars said the decree, developed by the Sacred Congregation for Religious, does not apply to diocesan seminarians.

Scholars like McBrien? Who say that diocesan seminaries don't need to follow a papal decree? You mean McBrien who has always sided against the Pope in all things moral including abortion? It is precisely people like McBrien who should be blamed for this current scandal.

88 posted on 05/03/2002 8:35:54 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: history_matters
Look up Richard Sipes Book, "Sex, Priests and Power" where he states of 50 Gay Priests interviewed by a Priest only 4 were celibate and 22% had 500 sexual partners or more.

Get a grip on Reality.

See page 132.

My comments above were written for the detractors of Cardinal Bevilaqua but might be taken as directed to you.

I hope this straightens it out, since you know a great deal more about this info than I ever will.

Sorry, I was typing in the Kitchen and my mind was watching the Local Tv about Cardinal Law renaging on a recent agreement for the victims, which is no excuse.

89 posted on 05/03/2002 8:36:42 PM PDT by chatham
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To: uncbob
Not that I saw while reading the book but there may have been in other sections.

If you look up the Peterson Report from 1985, that work talks about the frequency of Heterosexual abuses of children.

91 posted on 05/03/2002 8:41:38 PM PDT by chatham
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To: chatham
If you look up the Peterson Report from 1985, that work talks about the frequency of Heterosexual abuses of children.

I was talking about the celibacy aspect of heterosexual priests which would mean adult women
92 posted on 05/03/2002 8:47:06 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: history_matters
but his statements about banning even celibate gay priests ...

I will never accept this term, this ideology. What the hell is a celibate gay priest? I know, I know...one who does not act out. But, how the heck can a priest call himself a servant of God and be a fag? What a crock!!

JMHO

93 posted on 05/03/2002 8:54:04 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: history_matters
Cardinal Anthony M. Bevilacqua's sweeping rejection of gay men becoming priests diverges from mainstream thinking by U.S. Catholic theologians and policymakers, a range of church scholars said in interviews this week.
Summary of bolded part: Bevilacqua is not a heretic.

patent

94 posted on 05/03/2002 8:55:25 PM PDT by patent
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All
Check this one out when you got time. It is a tad long, but worth it IMHO...

http://www.sit-rep.com/forum.asp?file=46870

SR

95 posted on 05/03/2002 8:56:47 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: history_matters
Glad to see you history,quick everyone move to the best and I mean the best diocese in the whole entire world,I am here and proud of my humility .
96 posted on 05/03/2002 8:58:24 PM PDT by fatima
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To: RobbyS
Or to put it bluntly, there is a vast difference between hetero men surrounded by hetero men in a seminary dorm and homosexual men surrounded by homosexual men, or even one homosexual among many heterosexual men.

We do not expect a heterosexual man to keep his mind on the priesthood in a dorm full of women. That would be so carnal. So how can the opposite work? Besides, the homosexual mindset is wrong, against natural law, and a sin. It is like saying that someone who dreams of robbing the church treasury can be the church treasurer, as long as he promises not to touch the money. Am I being too blunt?

97 posted on 05/03/2002 9:01:21 PM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: Goldhammer
From your post #83. I feel as though I have just been assaulted. They sure do hate Cardinal Ratzinger don't they?
98 posted on 05/03/2002 9:03:53 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: RLK
It really would be more unfortunate that Catholics only donate to real Catholic leaders,the losers would have to leave.
99 posted on 05/03/2002 9:10:13 PM PDT by fatima
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To: maica
Did you notice that he flustered McBrien? Look up the First Things site. Neuhaus is the editor, and intellectuallyu he puts hacks like McBrien in the shade and on the defensive. By the way: he's a convert.
100 posted on 05/03/2002 9:17:03 PM PDT by RobbyS
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