we'll see, general.
who knows ?
maybe this is the one that starts to turn back the tide ...
[cue Shake'n'Bake commercial]
...and ahh helped !
Posted on 04/30/2002 4:30:34 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
Thong-Wearing Teens Kicked Out Of Dance
A group of parents are calling for the resignation of Rancho Bernardo High School's vice principal, claiming she enforced underwear checks at a school dance, 10News reported.
The dance occurred Friday and vice principal Rita Wilson turned away girls who were wearing thongs, the parent said.
Kim Teal is among the several parents angry with Wilson (pictured, right).
"First thing (my daughter) said when she got into the car was, 'Mom, it was horrible last night. You have to fight this,'" Teal told 10News.
According to parent Alane Garvik, girls who arrived at the dance wearing short skirts were immediately asked: "What kind of underwear do you have on?"
When Garvik's daughter red-facedly announced that she was wearing thong underwear she was told to "go home and put on appropriate underwear," according to Garvik.
Teal's daughter made it in and claims to have witnessed faculty lifting the skirts of girls to assure that the offending underwear was going nowhere near the dance floor.
"Well, I just saw ... a line of people and the vice principal, Mrs. Wilson, she was checking to see what the girls were wearing under their dresses. And she was literally lifting up their skirts and embarrassing them in front of everyone else," one student told 10News.
Parents and students have placed the blame on Wilson, for spearheading the thong underwear checks, even though there is nothing in the school dress code against them.
"It's not their right to know what kind of underwear these kids have," Garvik told 10News.
10News contacted school officials, who all declined to go on camera. But Principal Paul Gentle did say that he is "looking into the situation."
Parents are now asking for Wilson to resign.
Gentle said that even while enforcing the school dress code, it is not proper procedure to ask students what they are wearing underneath their clothes.
He told 10News that he plans to meet with parents sometime this week.
HA--a job like this obviously requires someone with your high standards!
BOR, with all due respect, providing for the Common Defense means having citizens educated enough to create,maintian, and use the weapons of modern warfare....That is not analagous to some half assed reading of the ICC....
according to your argument, those silly people in 1868 got the Fourteenth wrong,
but thank God the 20th century Supremes have been there to nullify it and save us all ...
What we have here is a simple failure to communicate. You (BoR) are making what is essentially a normative argument - i.e., you want to discuss how things should be. And that's fine - everyone's entitled to an opinion on such things. But what HG has been telling you is how things actually are. As the law stands now, these folks don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting anywhere. Whether that's good, bad, or indifferent means nothing to their chances of getting some redress for their grievances. As the law stands now, they have virtually no case at all.
You may think that's bad - that's perfectly fine. But the actual reality of the situation as it really exists is not contingent upon your opinion of it - it is the way it is, no matter how you happen to feel about it. And in those terms - in terms of actual reality - HG is almost certainly correct.
It's the difference between how things are versus how we think they should be.
we'll see, general.
who knows ?
maybe this is the one that starts to turn back the tide ...
[cue Shake'n'Bake commercial]
...and ahh helped !
Although the article does not indicate the specifics of the school dress code, the actions of the vice principal were intrusive. If there were obvious violations of the dress code, the students should have been escorted from the dance.
If inappropriate dress is suspected, investigation of the matter is the responsibility of the parent and if there is a disagreement regarding the parent's opinion of appropriate dress versus the stated parameters outlined in the dress code, the school would prevail and the student would not be allowed to attend the dance.
Please tell me that you see the difference between school administators enforcing obvious violations of the dress code versus conducting an intrusive/intimate search in public view?
I respect you and would request that you respond on the thread or privately, but please personalize this issue and consider your assessment if your daughter was searched in such a manner in a school where you did not have complete faith in the staffperson conducting the search.
Sincerely,
EODGUY
Another poor analogy? If you're unable to frame the argument in proper terms, it's a bit hard to logically debate you. Perhaps you should refresh yourself in the art of intellectual discourse.
Good question, but no
What's wrong with the black mini-skirt and fish net nylons?
From what I can see, the official position is inconsistency. Kind of like cheering a 3:00AM no-knock raid when it kills a drug addict, but decrying the same practice when an innocent person is killed. Some people around here have a difficult time understanding the concept that encouraging the system in one area may lead to unintended consequences in another.
A wise move. ;)
More seriously, if you can argue the law, go ahead and do so. If you want to dispute what the law is, go right ahead. Show me precedent or statute that suggests that they have a case here. I've got mine - Hazelwood and TLO. Links available on request.
Otherwise, stick to making a case that the law should be different than what it is, not that it is different from what HG and I claim. I might even agree with you - I'm a lot more open to arguments about why the sky should be green than I am to arguments that it already is green. ;)
Checking for "appropriate" underwear is not the business of a public school. Parents and parents only should decide what their daughters wear, not the thong nazis.
EOD, i think this section of the article right here is what determined my opinion on this.
#1.ONLY girls wearing short skirts were ASKED what kind of underwear they had on. NOT all girls, not girls with LONG skirts, just girls in SHORT skirts, who, if wearing thong underwear on the dance floor would be giving a free show.
#2. They were told to GO HOME AND PUT ON APPROPRIATE UNDERWEAR. that is a perfectly legitimate request to make of a student.
#3. THE PERSON who is claiming that the vice principal lifted the skirts, is the one causing the ruckus.
So, i happen to believe that this V.P. was aware of problems at previous dances, with girls wearing inappropriate undergarments AND SHORT SKIRTS (please note, that had they had thong underwear on and LONG SKIRTS, they were not asked about the type of underwear) and so she preemptively decided to police the issue in advance of them reaching the dance floor, but TARGETING girls in SHORT SKIRTS to ASK about the propriety of their underclothing. i have not a single problem with this.
As i said, i just came from a jr high dance, i know how those kids DRESS, i know how they behave on the dance floor. i was responsible for producing 7th grade parent chaperones to police this particular function and the Principal, who is a nun, was at the door, and while she would never presume to lift a skirt (and there is no PROOF that it was done here either!), in my view she is perfectly entitled to inquire about inappropriate underwear of a girl wearing an assbearing skirt!!!
i would maintain that to even ask the question is a gross violation of the 4th Amendment.
obviously, there are those here who have fallen in line with the usurpers ...
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