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Human Rights Watch: No evidence of massacre in Jenin
Jerusalem Post ^
| 4/28/2002
| Jerusalem Post
Posted on 04/27/2002 6:26:39 PM PDT by l33t
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posted on
04/27/2002 6:26:39 PM PDT
by
l33t
To: l33t
A buddy of mine, who lives in Israel, says that the IDF deliberately bulldozes the terrorists' homes because they know that they get money from outside sources, so they want the families of the dead to spend their windfall on rebuilding their homes rather than feeling like they won the lottery. I'm all for it.
To: l33t
If I were Human Rights Watch, I'd be very careful before slinging around words like whitewash. To my mind it sounds like a whitewash is being conducted to obfuscate the fact that the Palestinians and their useful idiots LIED about there having been a massacre in the first place.
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posted on
04/27/2002 6:30:39 PM PDT
by
mewzilla
To: l33t
" 'There is simply no evidence of a massacre. But we are worried that Israel will use this fact to whitewash the enormous amount of damage done to the civilian sector.' There is still no electricity in the camp, burst water pipes have flooded low lying areas, and the camp's two schools remain closed. "LOL...what a bunch of sillies, trying to qualify a statement whicj might be construed as supporting Israel with such drivel about "electricity" and "water pipes" and "two schools"!
EVERYBODY knows refugee camps don't electric and running water! Next they'll be whining that the IDF knocked out the AIR CONDITIONING and SEWERS, TV and CELL PHONE TOWERS!! LOL...What a HOOT! </SARCASM>
It's good news that "aid workers" state thare is no evidence whatsoever of "massacre"...but it's unlikely that this fact will have any bearing on the EUN's findings.
To: l33t
The area of the worst destruction has come to be known among foreign rescue workers, Palestinians, and IDF soldiers alike, as "Ground Zero."Mr Bouckaert, I've been to Ground Zero. And believe me, you don't have a Ground Zero.
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posted on
04/27/2002 6:56:00 PM PDT
by
upchuck
To: upchuck
These people actually care more about dead terrorists than about the innocent Americans whose remains are scattered around the real ground zero.
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posted on
04/27/2002 6:58:33 PM PDT
by
l33t
To: l33t
"... the large number of unexploded ordinance lying about the camp." Someone needs to tell this "journalist" that munitions are "ordnance", not "ordinance".
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posted on
04/27/2002 7:02:09 PM PDT
by
etcetera
To: all
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A general comment and question.
They call this place the Jenin Refugee Camp. Now, when I think of a refugee camp I visualize a place to temporarly house refugees. Usually in tents or leantos, sometimes without shelter at all. In my mind refugee camps usually lack running water everywhere and have very few permanent buildings.
The pictures I've seen of Jenin look like a town, not a refugee camp.
Anybody know what gives? I suspect it's psychological. Call them refugees and you automatically get a subconcious amount of sympathy.
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posted on
04/27/2002 7:02:55 PM PDT
by
upchuck
To: l33t
...there was clearly no massacre.
Aid workers and local doctors have found 52 corpses so far.... OK, I don't get it. What about 52 and counting isn't a massacre?
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posted on
04/27/2002 7:05:32 PM PDT
by
StACase
To: l33t
The area of the worst destruction has come to be known among foreign rescue workers, Palestinians, and IDF soldiers alike, as "Ground Zero." I can't even begin to tell you how offensive I find this. They belittle what has happened at the WTC by comparing it to this ridiculously minor event. How do they even DARE call it "ground zero"?
To: StACase
If you want to call dead terrorists and some collateral damage - victims of a "massacre" that's your right.
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posted on
04/27/2002 7:11:16 PM PDT
by
l33t
To: upchuck
"They call this place the Jenin Refugee Camp. Now, when I think of a refugee camp I visualize a place to temporarly house refugees. Usually in tents or leantos, sometimes without shelter at all. In my mind refugee camps usually lack running water everywhere and have very few permanent buildings."EXACTLY.
"The pictures I've seen of Jenin look like a town, not a refugee camp."
I believe Jenin is considered a city by those who don't consider it a refugee camp.
"Anybody know what gives? I suspect it's psychological. Call them refugees and you automatically get a subconcious amount of sympathy."
You got it! Nail on the head BUMP
With that, I think I'll toddle off to bed and have more nightmares about Mideast piece.
To: l33t
Has Human Rights Watch investigated the PLO kamikaze attacks against Israel?
To: l33t
But we are worried that Israel will use this fact to whitewash the enormous amount of damage done to the civilian sector." There is still no electricity in the camp, burst water pipes have flooded low lying areas, and the camp's two schools remain closed. First of all, if it wasn't a massacre of civilians, then it was obviously a war zone. It couldn't, then, be "damage to the civilian sector", since the sector was being used by militants to make bombs, and the places were booby trapped. That's not a "civilian sector" but a defended militia sector.
Second, they call this a camp, yet it had civilian brick and mortar houses and plumbing. Where I come from, we call that a town, not a camp.
So, what is there to whitewash? Was there destruction? Obviously. Was it justified? Apparantly from this and other reports... yes.
To: l33t
"The majority of those killed," said Peter Bouckaert, a senior researcher at US-based Human Rights Watch posted to Jenin, "were killed by snipers.
Yeah but whose snipers?
To: upchuck
"Anybody know what gives? I suspect it's psychological. Call them refugees and you automatically get a subconcious amount of sympathy." The Jenin refugee "camp" celebrated its Golden Anniversary not long ago.
The maintenance of the "refugee camp" fiction insures that the UNRWA bureaucrats will have jobs. And that the Palestinian Relief scams will continue to enjoy fundraising paydays.
These people are still "refugees" and still living in "camps" for two reasons:
1. They want to.
2. And nobody else (i.e., their Arab "brothers") will have them.
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posted on
04/27/2002 8:08:58 PM PDT
by
okie01
To: StACase
OK, I don't get it. What about 52 and counting isn't a massacre? 52 unarmed non-combatants in 10 minutes is a massacre. 52 fighters after a week of hard fighting is not.
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posted on
04/27/2002 9:23:23 PM PDT
by
marron
To: l33t
I>""There is simply no evidence of a massacre. But we are worried that Israel will use this fact to whitewash the enormous amount of damage done to the civilian sector."
From the overhead pictures posted, it looks like 30 to 40 buildings were destroyed. Not enormous at all, the Palies decided to fight in the camps. The aggressors make the rules.
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posted on
04/27/2002 9:29:37 PM PDT
by
Kermit
To: l33t
Of course there's no evidence! If there was any, IDF cleaned it during the week after when it was in lockdown.
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posted on
04/27/2002 9:53:20 PM PDT
by
Plummz
To: l33t,monkeyshine, ipaq2000, Lent, veronica, Sabramerican, beowolf, Nachum, BenF, angelo, boston_l
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posted on
04/28/2002 7:45:47 AM PDT
by
dennisw
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