Posted on 04/19/2002 3:07:46 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
Please explain.
Dan Day, I doubt you'll get a response. VA Advogado still CLAIMS that Ron Brown's body was autopsied ... despite having been shown repeatedly via numerous citations from credible sources (like statements from the pathologists who EXAMINED the body) that there was no autopsy. He does that because he is a shill whose sole purpose on this forum is to spread disinformation and dismiss ANY accusation that might actually lead to justice where the Clintons and DNC are concerned. And he is chummy with some of the biggest "move-on'ers" around, if you haven't noticed.
Please elaborate. I'm not familiar with it.
So what kind of spell check are you familiar with?
Reporters rely on computer spell checkers.
This is a total crock!! The cop didn't know how many vehicles were on the side of the road?
A friend of mine pulled to the side of the road one evening when she recognized my son who had just been involved in an auto accident. She was immediately approached by an officer and told to leave the scene--apparently he didn't have a problem knowing how many vehicles were in the vicinity.
I have confidence in the librarian. What is new about this story is that there has not been a witness identified before who has come forward to talk as she now has done with me. She has not been interviewed by the FBI nad therefore has not been pressured by them not to talk or to cahnge her story. And as she has seen the story of the OKC bombing case unfold she knows now that the official version is not correct.At the right time and place her name can be used say if she testified before Congress.
I interviewed the librarian at length. She had very good recall because she witnessed history in the making. SHe remembers the yellow MArquee vividly and knew from news reports that came out very soon (days)after the bombing about the very day she had witnessed , that a highway patrol officer had pulled McVeigh over near Perry where she had driven. She said she watched with interest as she read about and heard the contoversy about the second vehicle.This further reinforced in her memory (so she would not forget it)what she had seen because she knew it was significant.
Most people notice when a highway patrol car pulls over two cars at the same time and will rember it if they hear news account about it shortly therafter and realize the signifcance of what they saw.
She also was a frequent traverler on the I-35 route as she was commuting between Kansas and the University of Oklahoma to get her Masters Degree. She has a wealth of knowledge and info and has found some very significant articles and documents for me. SHe loves history and has been following this story since 1995.She has kept up with current events just like I have because of the significance and because she loves history. She is almost a news junkie and has excellent recall of what she has read. She is an avid reader and as a librarian she has a mind for detail and for searching articles and docs.
This lady is also talented and very intelligent in my opinion. You know many people like her still have vivid memories of what they saw and heard on April 19, 1995. Psycologists say that people tend to remember better if there is an emotion or a seriousness of the signifance tied to the event they witness. This applies to all my best witnesses.
Ha! Tell us when a pathological examination of a dead body is NOT an autopsy? You're just a paid shill for Judical Watch.
There is a huge difference between an examination and a full blown autopsy.
Like?
I think you are asking me to reason from a false hypothesis.
McVeigh was held without any charge, or connection to the Murah bombing for 29 hours (or somthing like that). When he was finally charged, I doubt the State Police called the "librarian" to let her know.
The posted story is a croc.
ML/NJ
For the record, I neither work for JW in any way nor know anyone associated with JW.
Now you tell us how one can do an autopsy of a skull without opening that skull up ... especially when the possibility that the skull was penetrated by a bullet was vocalized during the exterior examination.
And you tell us why you can't name ONE source that says an autopsy was done (other than that website caption to a picture which came from a source that says no autopsy was done) while I can quote (and have quoted on numerous occasions) half a dozen experts who were directly involved in the Brown case, including the officer who actually did the examination, who say NO AUTOPSY WAS EVER PERFORMED.
What people need to understand is that you are claiming this to shut down demands that an exhumation and autopsy now be done. THAT is a clear sign that you are a shill here to protect someone or some organization that was involved in a MASS MURDER and the subsequent coverup.
What people need to know is that you are chummy with some of the most ardent "move-on'ers" on this forum. They need to know that I've argued the Brown case with many of those move-on'ers and in each and every case they have either claimed that Brown was not murdered without providing any basis, have distorted the facts like you are now doing, or have simply RUN from the facts like democRATS tend to do.
What people need to know is that on one occasion you said you believed Brown was murdered in order to sound credible but since then have shown up repeatedly in Brown discussions to support those who argue that he was not murdered.
In short, you are a PROVEN LIAR, VA advogado. That is what readers need to know in evaluating anything you have to say.
Your wasting your time, marktwain. You'll get nothing sensible out of VA advogado since he simply ignores all the quotes from those who performed the examination who state unequivocally that no autopsy was ever performed.
Since this didn't happen, the car must have pulled over to back up the trooper and prevent McVeigh's escape.
It would also explain why McVeigh didn't use his gun. Apparently the party in the other car approached McVeigh first and McVeigh assumed he was going to shoot the trooper. That party then turned the gun on McVeigh and McVeigh never had a chance to shoot...
The aims of death investigation are to answer the following questions: Who died? (identification of the deceased) Where? (place of death) When? (time of death) Why? (cause of death) How? (manner & mechanism of death)
Autopsy is only one part of death investigation. Body, History and Scene are equally important (diagnostic triangle).
Each of the three aspects of the death investigation process are equally important (like a three legged stool, which will fall over if one leg is removed or even shortened!)
1. Scene: Attendance by police officers, CID, family doctor, police surgeon, forensic pathologist, forensic scientists. The aim is to collect the maximum of information with the minimum of disturbance. Potential for professional conflicts. Photography, videos, trace evidence.
2. History: Social - from relatives, friends, police. Medical - from GP, hospital notes. Often indicates the likely cause of death Psychiatric - from GP, hospital notes. May indicate possibility of suicide.
3. The medico-legal autopsy: The medico-legal autopsy differs from the hospital autopsy in two major respects:
Purpose:- What happened? to Who, When, Where, Why, and How.
Technique:- The external examination assumes much greater importance, special dissection techniques and examinations, evidential materials, report formulation or commentary. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The witnesses at Travelers Aid also saw the car on April 18, 1995 in OKC in front of their building and it was distinctive to them and they vividly remembered the car just as the librarian. Both of these are real stories and the witnesses are very credible.
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