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Another long but excellent piece from First Things.
1 posted on 04/19/2002 6:07:56 AM PDT by Exnihilo
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To: Exnihilo
Too long to read right now, but there is no life on other planets.
2 posted on 04/19/2002 6:16:02 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: Exnihilo
Good article...we are the first and the proving ground...
3 posted on 04/19/2002 6:25:26 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Exnihilo
Very enjoyable read. Thanks for posting it.
4 posted on 04/19/2002 6:47:04 AM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: Exnihilo
At the very least, by this time we were supposed to be doing manned missions to Jupiter’s moons.

How could we, when the focus is on subsidizing the poor and increasing their numbers so as to insure a 'rat voter group?

5 posted on 04/19/2002 6:56:21 AM PDT by jimt
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To: radioastronomer
Hey, RA thought you might find this thread of interest.

For anyone that's interested here's a way to help with the research: Seti @ home

7 posted on 04/19/2002 8:04:58 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Exnihilo
"It seems to me a sort of hubris to think that God made the universe just for us," said cosmologist George Smoot.

I would suggest that God didn't make the universe for us. God made the universe for God -- for God's own purposes. To acknowledge that we somehow advance those purposes by our existence, and are even necessary for that process, doesn't sound like hubris to me.

9 posted on 04/19/2002 8:56:33 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Exnihilo
The Moon’s mass creates a stabilizing anchor for the Earth, preventing the Earth from undue attraction to the Sun or to Jupiter, which would cause the Earth to tilt too far on its spin axis.

Venus has no moon and Mars has two much smaller ones orbiting a different frequencies yet Venus "tilts" much less and Mars only very slightly more. Back to the drawing board on this one.

Without an extra-large moon orbiting at the right distance from us, scientists predict that Earth would be subject to a runaway greenhouse effect, as on Venus, or a permanent ice age, as Mars would experience if it had more water.

Omits that Venus is much closer to the Sun and Mars much further away, but the probably much more important difference of abundant life which has a dramatic effect on climate. Call it the weak Gaia hypothesis.

Anthropic Principle ... says that the features of the universe are constrained by the need to permit observers like us. The less delicate way to put this is to say that the universe appears to have been finely tuned in its fundamental force strengths, particle mass ratios, etc., for our benefit.

That's not less delicate, it's different and, if the author has actually read the book, the statement is an egregious case of spin (I could have put it less charitably). The latter is a religious statement (which I've heard called the Strong AP). The former (Weak AP) is a simple observation - the nature of the Universe must be compatible with our being here.

Fermi’s Paradox—Back in Style.

Seems like a slam dunk against alien civilizations in our galaxy. With an application of Weak AP you can probably draw another inference - a galaxy may only ever have one civilzation. Suppose "higher" life is quite rare so that it's very unlikely that two will arise in a brief period like that postulated for galactic colonization. Once one civilization is galaxy wide, it may be impossible for another to arise. That seems a likely outcome if humanity does so spread.

If that guess is correct then it's not surprising we don't see any others.

13 posted on 04/19/2002 1:51:16 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Exnihilo
Today the Drake Equation is being superseded by the Rare Earth Equation, as it was named by geologist Peter Ward and astronomer Donald Brownlee

Their book, "Rare Earth," C 2000, published by Springer-Verlag / Copernicus, is right here on my shelf if anyone wants to borrow it. It's still pretty current, although at the rate new data arrives, it will begin getting stale soon enough. I was pleased to see the book be published since it represented a break in the growing trend to believe in extraterrestrials.

Fermi's Paradox: If there are extraterrestrials, where are they?

It looks like we are alone. Usually things are as they appear to be.

18 posted on 04/19/2002 3:07:53 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Exnihilo
Dinosaurs were in charge of the planet until they were wiped out.

Perhaps the planet needs a periodic catastrophy to stir the evolutionary pot. (lets not start the evolution arguement, there are plenty of threads for that)

21 posted on 04/19/2002 6:25:43 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Exnihilo
People who assume to know whether we are "alone" or not, haven't the slightest capability of truly understanding how large the universe is, how much of it there is, and how limited human understanding is.

I've always found a persons presumption of "knowing" whether or not there is life elsewhere a bit akin to "knowing" what God's thinking right now: frankly, no one has a clue.  Sure, you can take a guess - and you might even be right - but, you can't prove it.

Never tie yourself to an absolute uncertainty; at best, you'll just look goofy.

22 posted on 04/19/2002 6:34:29 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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