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The Outer Space and Moon Treaties and the Coming Moon Rush
spacedaily.com ^ | 18 Apr 02 | Bill Carswell

Posted on 04/18/2002 9:36:38 AM PDT by RightWhale

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To: RightWhale
Even under the current treaties, an individual or corporation own any celestial resources that they are using or that they have put on board a vessel. For example, after we picked up a few hundred pounds of Moon rocks, there was never any question that we owned them. The High Frontier is the New World without the natives!

I guarantee that there are valuable resources up there. Are many people aware that some asteroids have high concentrations of platinum group metals? Nickel/iron asteroids are almost pure stainless steel already. Carbonaceous chondrite asteroids are high in hydrocarbons (petrochemicals). Jupiter's atmosphere is high in hydrogen isotopes for fusion engines. Mercury is high in heavy metals of all types. In free space, you have solar energy for smelting and processing; 10 KW per square meter and the sun never sets.. no clouds either. No EPA, no regulations, no taxes, and you can deliver the goods to your customers on Earth from above without crossing a border. Total freedom and true capitalism. The frontier within the inner solar system is endless for all practical purposes.

141 posted on 04/18/2002 6:21:29 PM PDT by darth
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To: altair
At least this disrupter kept to one thread.

p.s. someone else pointed out that the "Member Since" dates can be compromised. One person revealed this with a "member since 1774" date. A date prior to the current day is no guarantee that it isn't a "new" (or returning) member.

142 posted on 04/18/2002 6:37:12 PM PDT by weegee
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To: gilor
Let's check the "footprints"...
143 posted on 04/18/2002 6:41:57 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Rustynailww
please do not destroy the pristine lunar reserve.

Any native lunar wildlife we could put on the endangered species list?


144 posted on 04/18/2002 6:42:09 PM PDT by texson66
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To: Brett66
I thought you probably were joking, but I've seen more than a few on these threads that really believe that. Thank you for not being a tin-foil nut. ;)

In a previous job, I had the chance to work closely with a retired NASA combustion engineer who worked on the Saturn V rocket.
He is one of the most brilliant engineers - hell, most brilliant people - I have ever met. I am disinclined to believe him.

The only person whom I have ever humored when they told me the moon landings weren't real was my great-grandmother.
She was born in 1895 and was 74 in 1969.
A very VERY religious member of the Primitive Baptist denomination, her argument was that "the Good Lord wouldn't let us to fly up there".

I just agreed with her. I was just a kid, but still knew better.

FRegards-

CD

145 posted on 04/18/2002 7:01:36 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Alberta's Child
My guess is that a "profitable business model" in outer space will never be developed.

Agreed, unless the price of rocket fuel somehow drops by an order of magnitude or three. In the mean time the author is engaging in mental masturbation. BTW, has any of these deluded space dweebs ever actually done the math to show that the energy from their solar power stations can be transmitted to earth with anything like the necessary efficiency?

146 posted on 04/18/2002 7:28:16 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: RightWhale

Think of it.. all that cheese.

147 posted on 04/18/2002 7:34:09 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: darth
Your post sounds like my own; thinking alike. We can go after a nickel-iron asteroid, but an ordinary stony-iron asteroid will do well. Process a cubic mile a year and we will have all the steel we need both for earth and for further space development. The deal is that steel production could be increased five-fold if everyone on earth is to live in the style the Terrorist Groups of Global Reach seem to hate. Plus a lot of aluminum.

The 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty can be interpreted various ways. The way I read it is that you own anything you launch, your spacecraft, your supplies, but you cannot own any resources dug out of celestial bodies. The treaty is vaguely-worded in this regard, and so is deficient and ought to be withdrawn from immediately, with the requisite 1-year notice.

The word "global" seems much less impressive when looking beyond this miserable ball of mud.

148 posted on 04/18/2002 7:36:52 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Jhoffa_
When a credible effort is undertaken to begin using the resources of the moon..

Sure, of course. Once someone starts then everyone will want some. Will China show the way? Wouldn't bother me at all.

149 posted on 04/18/2002 7:40:30 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: ElkGroveDan
The moon belongs to those who can get there, claim it and most efficiently utilize the resources they find, you unwashed, commie hippy, tree-sitting socialists!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL.. Thanks. You spared me from having to do it..

150 posted on 04/18/2002 9:46:09 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: redrock
Rockthrower bump. Loonies unite!
151 posted on 04/18/2002 9:50:59 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: weegee
They got any oil up there?
153 posted on 04/19/2002 12:48:09 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: Clarino
I just hope that the "organisation" is a multi-national, not megacorporate one with peaceful aims

Sorry, I got news for you--the only way that space will ever be effectively "tamed" will be through those GREEDY corporations. Governments come and go, taxpayer will falters, but Big Business and the Almighty Dollar are what make the world (and the moon) go 'round.

158 posted on 04/19/2002 4:36:52 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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