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Fresh evidence of Jenin atrocities
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=286197 ^ | 18 April 2002 | Phil Reeves

Posted on 04/17/2002 7:09:26 PM PDT by Jethro Tull

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18 April 2002 02:35 GMT+1

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Fresh evidence of Jenin atrocities

By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem

18 April 2002

Evidence of atrocities by Israeli troops in Jenin refugee camp grew yesterday when a British pathologist said he found "highly suspicious" wounds during the first autopsy on a victim.

Derrick Pounder, professor of forensic medicine at Dundee University, who is working with Amnesty International, visited the ruined camp and said: "Claims that a large number of civilians died and are under the rubble are highly credible.It is not believable that only a few people have been killed, given the reports we have that a large number of people were inside three and four-storey buildings when they were demolished."

The autopsy on the 38-year-old Palestinian revealed that "he was either shot in the foot, and then in the back, or shot in the back first – receiving a fatal wound – and his corpse was for some reason shot in the foot," he said. "Whichever order the shots occurred in, it was highly suspicious".

As the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, left for America yesterday, having failed to secure a ceasefire, international fury was growing over events at Jenin. The camp, home to 13,500 refugees, was stormed by Israeli forces a fortnight ago in what Mr Sharon called a counter-terrorism operation against Palestinian militants. The furore has severely damaged Israel's international standing, sending it to its lowest point for several decades.

Palestinians who survived the long battle – in which Israeli helicopters fired rockets and machine-guns into a densely populated area – have said the Israeli army committed many atrocities. Witnesses have described people being shot as they surrendered; houses being bulldozed with people inside; the use of human shields; the burial of 32 bodies in a trench, and one case of Israeli soldiers turning on the household gas supply before tossing a stun grenade into a room full of people.

Richard Cook, head of operations for Unrwa – the UN agency for Palestinian refugees – visited the camp yesterday. He said: "I was absolutely appalled. I anticipated it to a degree but the devastation was much greater than I expected."

The Foreign Office said "disproportionate and excessive" force had been used by Israel, and "clearly civilians were not properly protected".

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1 posted on 04/17/2002 7:09:26 PM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
Posted and ridiculed already....I'm too lazy to post where....sorry.
2 posted on 04/17/2002 7:15:18 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Bogey78O
Israeli Tanks Open Fire in Jenin Camp Israeli Tanks Open Fire in Jenin Camp
Wed Apr 17, 2:39 PM ET

By Christine Hauser

JENIN REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank (Reuters) - Israeli tanks fired heavy machineguns inside Jenin's refugee camp on Wednesday and the army warned residents combing the rubble of their homes that a curfew remained in force.

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Earlier, witnesses in Jenin had said about 50 Israeli tanks had left the camp and the surrounding West Bank town, two days after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) had said the army would pull out "in a couple of days."

It was not immediately clear what had prompted the tanks still in Jenin to open fire in the camp's smashed streets. The army told residents through megaphones that a curfew was still in force.

Earlier in the afternoon, hundreds of Palestinians had poured back into the refugee quarter from the town, many of them residents who had fled fierce fighting between the Israeli army and Palestinian militants that abated at the weekend.

Although a general curfew has prevailed for over a week, it appeared not to have been strictly applied in parts of the town and camp over the past three days, with many more people on the streets and even some local cars moving around.

Before the tanks began shooting, civilian medics had been using shards of metal as shovels to dig in the rubble that was once the camp's main square, uncovering the limb of a corpse.

Suddenly, heavy machinegun fire sounded in repeated bursts in the main street next to the square. A crowd of Palestinians who had gathered to watch the gruesome excavation scrambled down the mountain of rubble, fleeing into alleys in all directions.

The medics hurriedly covered up what they had found with boards and also fled.

Palestinians shut themselves inside a roofed parking area, watching as Israeli tanks and armored personnel carriers roared past, the blue and white Israeli flag fluttering atop them.

Witnesses said earlier residents were returning to the camp in vehicles and on foot despite a curfew in a "closed military zone" still off limits to outsiders apart from some army-escorted relief crews.

Around 50 tanks had pulled out of Jenin by late afternoon, leaving via two checkpoints, but some tanks remained hunkered down at vantage points to the northwest, witnesses reported.

The Israeli army had no immediate comment. It was not clear if troops were withdrawing from the northern West Bank town or just redeploying or rotating, but a spokesman confirmed the area remained a closed military zone.

POWELL'S CEASE-FIRE BID FAILS

Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) left the region on Wednesday without achieving an Israeli-Palestinian cease-fire or a complete Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank that might set the stage for renewed peace talks after 18 months of violence.

Sharon said Monday that troops would leave Jenin in a couple of days, and the West Bank's largest city Nablus, which also saw heavy fighting, within a week, but would remain nearby.

Palestinians say hundreds among the camp's 13,000 civilians were "massacred" by the army in its incursion, part of a sweep into West Bank towns in a declared crackdown on Palestinian militants behind suicide bombings in Israel.

The Israeli government has denied the massacre allegations, saying the majority of Palestinian casualties in Jenin were militants who used houses in the camp as cover to ambush Israeli forces, and booby-trapped many of the buildings.

By army count, at least a dozen decomposing bodies remained uncollected late Wednesday amid crumpled masonry or in buildings where they fell during the Israeli incursion. Palestinians say many more lie under mountains of rubble around the main square. The army concedes more bodies may be there.

Haider Eshed, Jenin's acting Palestinian governor, said local ambulances or residents retrieved 15 bodies Wednesday with army permission and brought them to the main hospital.

That brought to about 30 the number of corpses removed over the past two weeks, most after the Palestinian Red Crescent gained limited access to the camp under Israeli army escort.

Fifteen of the bodies have been buried temporarily in the garden of the hospital.

A large swathe of the camp's crude concrete housing and lanes was wrecked or damaged by the fighting. Its central square resembles an earthquake (news - web sites) zone after being shelled and bulldozed.

3 posted on 04/17/2002 7:18:23 PM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
So Derrick Pounder,where is your evidence for:

It is not believable that only a few people have been killed, given the reports we have that a large number of people were inside three and four-storey buildings when they were demolished."

It sure as hell ain't in this article.

4 posted on 04/17/2002 7:18:49 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Jethro Tull
The autopsy on the 38-year-old Palestinian revealed that "he was either shot in the foot, and then in the back, or shot in the back first – receiving a fatal wound – and his corpse was for some reason shot in the foot," he said. "Whichever order the shots occurred in, it was highly suspicious".

Anyone who knows how to conduct an autopsy should be able to tell what order the shots were fired in. If the fatal blow was to the back then wouldn't the blood flow from the foot wound be less than if he were shot in the foot while alive? A competent Medical examiner should be able to tell the difference.

5 posted on 04/17/2002 7:22:50 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Jethro Tull
More bullsh*t from the Independent. There was a massive firefight between the IDF and the terrorists. So this doctor finds a corpse with two bullet wounds in it. This is unusual in what way?

As for the bona fides of the doctor, he works for "Amnesty International." Now, THERE's an unbiased, legitimate, trustworthy source for you.

As for claims of mass killings, the doctor is just quoting what Palestinians have told him. No evidence. And one reporter, for a less bigoted newspaper, took the time to look in the refrigerated truck that a Palestinian said he saw IDF soldiers "loading corpses into." The truck was loaded with fruits and vegetables for the IDF troops.

The deadline for this piece of tripe says, "Fresh Evidence of Jenin Atrocities." The only thing it is "fresh evidence" of is the blazing dishonesty of this British newspaper. That "evidence" is so fresh and steaming that it hasn't even attracted flies yet.

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6 posted on 04/17/2002 7:23:33 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Jethro Tull
given the reports we have

Palestinians ... have said the Israeli army committed many atrocities.

Witnesses have described people being shot as they surrendered; houses being bulldozed with people inside; the use of human shields; the burial of 32 bodies in a trench, and one case of Israeli soldiers turning on the household gas supply before tossing a stun grenade into a room full of people.

What kind of "evidence" is this? It's nothing but "hearsay" and coming from a gang of known pathological liars.

In other words, utterly worthless.

7 posted on 04/17/2002 7:24:21 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Congressman Billybob
It's bullshit.

8 posted on 04/17/2002 7:25:34 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Jethro Tull
BS Alert, MAX BS Sheilds on 10!

The autopsy on the 38-year-old Palestinian revealed that "he was either shot in the foot, and then in the back, or shot in the back first – receiving a fatal wound – and his corpse was for some reason shot in the foot," he said. "Whichever order the shots occurred in, it was highly suspicious".

So this good doctor is an expert on war battle injuries? I don't think so! And "whichever order the shots occured in"? LOL, yeah doc, it was suspicous to you, because it was a bullet wound . Newsflash. In lawful combat, bullets are fired at the enemy, whether they are running to you, away from you, or sideways.

9 posted on 04/17/2002 7:25:52 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: Jethro Tull

Derrick Pounder, professor of forensic medicine at Dundee University, who is working with Amnesty International, visited the ruined camp and said: "Claims that a large number of civilians died and are under the rubble are highly credible.It is not believable that only a few people have been killed, given the reports we have that a large number of people were inside three and four-storey buildings when they were demolished."

THIS is NEWSor HARD EVIDENCE OF ATROCITIES??? The threshold of believeablility for this paper when it comes to slamming Jews is quite low...how quaint.

11 posted on 04/17/2002 7:51:21 PM PDT by Benrand
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To: 2witness
don't forget the secret alien UFO they have in Dimona. And everyone knows Sharon really was behind JFK's assasination
12 posted on 04/17/2002 7:52:33 PM PDT by arielb
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To: Jethro Tull
War is Hell.
13 posted on 04/17/2002 7:52:50 PM PDT by calmseas
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To: 2witness
Those poor poor Pali terrorists...sniff sniff.... oh how I grieve their loss...
14 posted on 04/17/2002 7:56:10 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: 2witness
Oh, yeah, those filthy, evil Jews--the ones who murder non-Jewish adolescents and use their blood for Purim pastries. Those Palestinians are just so pitiful--they only have rocks and sticks to use against those bullies. Palis never lie. They are sooooo innocent of any autrocity. It was a trick of the Jews that I saw footage of them ghoulishly celebrating 9/11. All they want to do is live in peace with their Jewish brothers and sisters--NOT!!!

Go Israel! Smoke out the terrorist scum that want you and then me, my family and friends blown to bits! If a few innocents die, well, hell, that's war. I have zip sympathy for these fanatical animals who choose leaders like Arafat and idolize terrorists like Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Hitler!!!

Yeah, those terrorists are really "freedom fighters." Sharon and the IDF are the real terrorists. Personally, I don't think that Sharon and Israel have been hard enough on barbaric animals who celebrate, glorify and advocate terrorism!!! Arabs who support Arafat, Bin Laden and Hussein are full of lies. They are full of taquiyyah-talk. They are not to be trusted and have no honor--even among their own kind!!!

17 posted on 04/17/2002 8:10:03 PM PDT by demnomo
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Shame on you for introducing an outside article. The Israeli's went to alot of trouble to keep the rest of the world in the dark about what they might be up to.

Right. Over two dozen terrorists from Jenin have blown up Israeli civilians recently...there are bomb factories in the middle of town...and we can't imagine what the Israelis "might be up to" there.
Give me a major break.

18 posted on 04/17/2002 8:16:51 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Alouette
What do you mean? Don't you know that Islam is the Religion of Peace TM
20 posted on 04/17/2002 8:48:43 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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