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Youngest Boys And Girls Prefer Different Instruments
UniSci. ^ | 4/15/02 | Betty Repacholi Joel Schwarz

Posted on 04/15/2002 6:13:27 AM PDT by LarryLied

The beat begins early in life when it comes to children's choice of instruments: Boys favor drums and horns, girls flutes and violins.

Ask children what musical instruments they would like to play and boys invariably will pick the trumpet, drums or saxophone, while girls will tend to favor the violin, clarinet or flute.

These gender-based choices seem to be so embedded that researchers have now shown that children as young as 5 exhibit stereotypical preferences when it comes to musical instruments.

Reporting in the current issue of the journal Sex Roles, University of Washington researcher Betty Repacholi said these gender-based preferences are considerably more fixed among boys than they are in girls. Even when some of the children in the study were exposed to an intervention, boys were far more resistant to changing their gender-based choices.

"Girls become more flexible as they get older, but boys mostly pick masculine instruments. They just cannot pick a feminine instrument. It is so hard for them that it just astounds me," she said.

How these stereotypes develop is unknown. It could be based on the size or shape of an instrument or the sound it makes, Repacholi said.

"What makes a flute a feminine instrument -- its high-pitched sound and delicate look? And is a trumpet masculine because it sounds deeper and louder? Making gender-based choices can restrict what children, all people, do in life."

Repacholi, a research associate with the UW's Center for Mind, Brain & Learning, and co-author Samantha Pickering, now a doctoral student at the University of Sydney in Australia, knew that in the 1970s childhood instrument preferences had been noted among third and fourth graders.

After nearly three decades of increasingly equal opportunities for women in many countries, the researchers wondered if these gender-based stereotypes still existed, if they occurred in younger children and if they could be modified.

To explore these questions, the researchers recruited more than 600 kindergarten and fourth-grade Australian school children to participate in two studies. Both studies used eight instruments that adults in the United States, England and Australia had previously classified by gender -- flute, violin, clarinet and cello as feminine and drums, saxophone, trumpet and trombone as masculine.

In the first study, the researchers made videotapes of eight male and eight female high school students playing one of the eight instruments. The elementary school children were randomly put into three groups and shown three-minute videos of the high school instrumentalists playing the same piece of music.

In the stereotype group, the children saw males playing the masculine instruments and females playing the feminine ones. Children in a counter-stereotype group saw males playing the feminine instruments and females playing the masculine instruments. The third, or control, group viewed a video of the music but without seeing the soloists. Instead, the instruments were displayed against a plain background.

Repacholi and Pickering found that the kindergartners and fourth graders in the counter-stereotype groups were less likely to pick a gender-based instrument than the children in the other two groups.

"The really young children, those in kindergarten, may have thought that these stereotypes were rules, not social conventions," said Repacholi. "But they were willing to change their beliefs when shown counter examples."

The researchers also found that boys were less influenced by exposure to the counter-stereotype examples, a not-unexpected finding since boys experience stronger social pressure to engage in gender-stereotyped activities than do girls, according to Repacholi. Girls, meanwhile, were more flexible. About 70 percent of the fourth-grade girls in the counter-stereotype group picked masculine instruments.

"This is consistent with what we know," said Repacholi. "Girls experience less pressure and are allowed to be tomboys. They see that males have more power and status in our society and, with increasing age, girls start to adopt more masculine attributes."

This was illustrated in the control group, where only 27 percent of the kindergarten girls selected a masculine instrument, but 50 percent of the girls in the fourth grade did so.

"At the same time, there is more pressure on boys to be masculine. There can be extreme pressure, particularly from their peers. A boy does not want to do anything that appears to be feminine," she said.

In the second study, the researchers simplified their presentations by replacing the videotapes with black-and-white drawings. The drawings depicted the eight instruments as being played by elementary school-age children. Before being asked to pick the instrument they would like to play, there was a discussion about each of the instruments so the children could distinguish among them.

The findings in the second study were not only consistent with those in the initial study, but also demonstrated that even a simple presentation -- such as a drawing that could be found in a children's picture book -- could be used to change children's musical instrument preferences, said Repacholi.

"These kinds of choices and stereotypes can affect what you learn and what you do later in life," she said. "We know these stereotypes affect all kinds of leisure activities, the sports people play and career choices. Even at age 5 children believe doctors are males and nurses are female. When it comes to music, a little boy may be the next Yo-Yo Ma but is not encouraged to play the cello. So he picks the drums, is terrible, and winds up not playing any musical instrument. Or a girl who wants to play the trombone is advised not to and that stops her from pursuing a career playing that instrument.

"Our studies show these stereotypes can be modified. But I would emphasize that the changes we showed are short-term. Three-minute videos or drawings are not going to create permanent change. We also wouldn't advocate using counter-stereotypes by themselves because we would simply be creating new stereotypes. We need to present both males and females playing a full range of instruments to show that anyone can play them. Gender should not be relevant," she said.



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To: LarryLied

I love my flute!


21 posted on 04/15/2002 7:02:02 AM PDT by sharktrager
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To: OneidaM
I think it is "Logical" that we should discuss this over drinks and dinner. : )
22 posted on 04/15/2002 7:04:19 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV
"Naturally!!!"
23 posted on 04/15/2002 7:06:23 AM PDT by Neets
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To: dighton
Wouldn't be prudent.

Would be.

24 posted on 04/15/2002 7:13:45 AM PDT by Orual
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To: Orual
Oh dear.
25 posted on 04/15/2002 7:16:45 AM PDT by dighton
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To: LarryLied
"Girls become more flexible as they get older, but boys mostly pick masculine instruments. They just cannot pick a feminine instrument. It is so hard for them that it just astounds me," she said.

One could just as well argue that girls cannot make up their minds, while boys know what they like. But this researcher could never say anything positive about boys.

26 posted on 04/15/2002 7:17:01 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: LarryLied
bump
27 posted on 04/15/2002 7:18:22 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: LarryLied
I wish I could get money to prove that dogs eat dog food and cats eat cat food...I mean, who gives these idiots the funds to prove the obvious?

One of my brothers played the trombone in middle and high school. The other is on scholarship to Florida State, where he is a music major...he playes the saxophone (as well as the trumpet and the guitar)! My late father also played the guitar and drums in his teenage/early adult years. My 4-year-old daughter loves playing her toy flute! I guess the misogynists are keeping her from playing the drums.

28 posted on 04/15/2002 7:33:51 AM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2
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To: Okies love Dubya 2
playes=plays
29 posted on 04/15/2002 7:34:26 AM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2
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To: dighton
"I want to read about a woman in Hull who's been using an instrument"
30 posted on 04/15/2002 7:40:01 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: LarryLied
Every liberal is an idiot thug.
31 posted on 04/15/2002 11:09:34 AM PDT by moyden
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To: dighton
Hmmm...........think we should tell Jean-Pierre Rampal he picked the wrong instrument???
32 posted on 04/15/2002 6:32:55 PM PDT by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover; Orual; aculeus
Hmmm...........think we should tell Jean-Pierre Rampal he picked the wrong instrument???

We could, but let's not harp on it.

Now we see the violins inherent in the system!

33 posted on 04/15/2002 6:57:45 PM PDT by dighton
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To: BluesDuke
In case you didn't know :-)
34 posted on 04/15/2002 8:44:46 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
What a surprise! ;)

When I was growing up, I had actually tried the piano and, for a year, the trumpet, before I picked up a guitar. I had an idea about trying the violin until one of my relatives - I'm not making this up - told me nice Jewish boys just don't play the violin. (Obviously, this relative had never heard of Jascha Heifetz or Isaac Stern.) I saw a passel of girls playing flute or violin, though I did notice more boys picking up the flute once Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull and Ray Thomas of the Moody Blues made it hip for the rockers for awhile. (I liked Jethro Tull's first few albums (especially Benefit); they began to lose me with stuff like Thick As A Brick and Passion Play; I liked the Moodies' Days of Future Passed and On The T Threshold of a Dream.)

I knew one girl in particular who liked to walk out to the jetties on the beach and practise her flute out there, it reminded me of the story I love about saxophonist Sonny Rollins - that he'd quit gigging for a time in the late 1950s/early 1960s to rethink his approach to jazz, and fell into the habit of walking out to the middle of the Williamsburg Bridge in the wee small hours and practice his sax out there. "It's quiet, it's peaceful, it's beautiful out there," he said of it. "You can blow as loud or as soft as you want, it sings back to you." (For the record, I rarely go a week without a full listening to his Live At The Village Vanguard Complete set, one of the best of his sax-bass-drums alignment performances, and damn but that man could play the blues, too!)

Speaking of Isaac Stern, if ever you get the chance, give a listen to his teaming with Itzhak Perlman performing Bach's Double Concerto for two violins and orchestra (Zubin Mehta and the New York Philharmonic are the orchestra). They do it as if they'd been playing it together from the crib.
35 posted on 04/15/2002 9:26:28 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: MozartLover
Hmmm...........think we should tell Jean-Pierre Rampal he picked the wrong instrument???

If we do, we will also have to tell these gentlemen:

Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)
Rahsaan Roland Kirk (played the flute rather well, among the several other instruments he played; he was Ian Anderson's significant influence - in fact, Anderson worked up an arrangement of Kirk's "Serenade For A Cuckoo" for Jethro Tull's debut album, This Was)
Ray Thomas (the Moody Blues)
Frank Wess (saxophonist with the Count Basie orchestra who doubled on flute and rather neatly)
Peter Gabriel (the original Genesis)
Herbie Mann
Johnny Almond (with John Mayall and Mark-Almond)
Andy Kulberg (the Blues Project - the bassist doubled on flute and, in fact, composed what may have been that memorable group's best-remembered number, the charming instrumental "Flute Thing" - he also may have been the first blues/rock musician to electrify his flute, drilling a hole and inserting a pickup, for a concert version called "Electric Flute Thing")
Eddie Harris (the jazzman who probably inspired Kulberg to try electrifying his flute)
Paul Butterfield (he rarely if ever recorded himself playing the instrument, but his first instrument - before he made himself into a harmonicameister - was the flute)
36 posted on 04/15/2002 9:33:47 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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