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Titanic Memories.....[Unsinkable]
ABC NEWS ^ | April 14 2002

Posted on 04/14/2002 5:59:12 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

Titanic Memories
Survivor, Discoverer Reflect on ‘Unsinkable’ Ship, 90 Years Later

April 14 — When it set sail from Southampton, England, 90 years ago, the supposedly unsinkable Titanic was the very symbol of the future.

We were not supposed to go on that ship; we were supposed to go on another one," says Millvena Dean, 90, of Ashurst, England, one of only four survivors still alive today. "But as there was a lack of coal and they wanted all the coal for the Titanic … so we were asked if we'd like to go on the Titanic. So my father was delighted."

But on April 14, 1912, on its maiden voyage, the Titanic hit an iceberg. It sank to the bottom of the frozen North Atlantic, more than 2 miles beneath the waves.

Dean was just 9 months old.

"My brother and I in were bed, and [family members] heard a crash and went to see what it was," she says. "Of course, they heard that the ship had struck an iceberg. And then my father acted so quickly, I'm pretty certain he saved us.

"He … got us up on deck to a lifeboat, where, as I said, the other people said, 'Oh no, it's unsinkable, it won't sink,'" Dean said. "But he was quicker on the uptake, and I think that's what saved us."

Dean's father, Bertram, saved his family but not himself. He was among the more than 1,500 of about 2,200 people on board the Titanic who died at sea. His daughter is the youngest of the four remaining survivors, who also include fellow Briton Barbara West, 91, and Americans Lillian Asplund, 96, and Winnifred Quick, 98.

The Stuff of Movies

The Titanic was originally scheduled to arrive in New York City, bringing with it many eager to start a new life in America. Instead, so many lives were lost, and entire families changed forever.

Contemporary newspapers reported an iceberg had brought down the jewel of the White Star Line in less than three hours. But we know now there was much more to the story.

"There was an arrogance about it all in some regards, too, disregarding the ice warnings, where other ships stopped and the Titanic steamed on — into fate," says oceanographer Robert Ballard, president of the Institute for Exploration at the Mystic Aquarium in Mystic, Conn.

Over the years, the public's fascination with the tragedy lingered. Hearings on the cause of the disaster made early headlines, and then came books and movies such as A Night to Remember, Raise the Titanic and the 1997 Best Picture Oscar winner, Titanic.

Titanic Found

It took more than seven decades before Ballard and a team of explorers found the great ship's final resting place in 1985.

"It was a Mount Everest in my field, a mountain that hadn't been climbed," says Ballard. "The time had come to climb her. And I was fortunate to be the first to the top in that regard."

Ballard's small titanium subs and rovers, with cameras that could dive to bone-crushing depths of 12,000 feet, finally gave the world its first glimpse of the sunken ship, and the 4-by-3-foot gash that ultimately spelled its doom.

"I was afraid that every time I started talking about the Titanic I would lose it, because it was such a powerful experience, and one I totally did not expect," Ballard said. "I think, 'Here I am a scientist, you know? I know what I'm doing. I'm a pro, you know?' And yet when I start talking about this ship, it takes on a human aspect to it and it's very powerful."

Monument to Tragedy, Bravery

The Titanic is not just a monument to tragedy, but also to heroism. The ship's captain, Edward J. Smith, went down with his ship in the wheelhouse and Margaret Brown — the famous "Unsinkable Molly Brown," who was saved by the ship Carpathia — helped weaker survivors.

"When the Carpathia docked, all of her friends went off to the Ritz and to the Plaza, and they kicked back and they broke open a bottle of champagne, downed some caviar and just put their feet up and said 'oh,'" said Helen McKinney, Brown's great-granddaughter.

"Margaret never left the Carpathia," McKinney added. "She stayed on board until every one of the steerage passengers, the second-class passengers and anyone who had come over who had lost absolutely everything in the sinking, had a place to go or at least had someone to meet them and take care of them."

Questions swirl over what should happen to the Titanic now: Should it become a public memorial or private mausoleum? Tourists are spending small fortunes to travel down and see the great ship with their own eyes. Should it be salvaged or left where it lies, at final rest?


TOPICS: Announcements; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: unsinkable

1 posted on 04/14/2002 5:59:12 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I have often wondered if I would have the courage, so bravely displayed by so many men, who sacrificed themselves for their families.
2 posted on 04/14/2002 9:00:57 PM PDT by larry h
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
It was(and is)a great tragedy!All the more so because it was completely UNNECESSARY!!
3 posted on 04/14/2002 9:05:06 PM PDT by bandleader
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4 posted on 04/14/2002 10:36:06 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Perhaps someone can help me out on this. How does timekeeping work at sea? There are four time zones of difference between England and New York. Do they change the clocks as the time zones are passed? Do they change them to New York time at the beginning? I've wondered when exactly the Titanic did sink, but I've never seen an account that told what time zone they were using when it sank.
5 posted on 04/14/2002 11:40:06 PM PDT by altair
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
>Titanic Memories...

One of my favorite Titanic notes is that when everyone tried to evaluate what happened after the fact, one teenage boy reported that as the great ship went down, HE SAW HER BREAK IN HALF. He even drew a picture of what he saw for various engineers. The "experts" decided that since "qualified" people didn't report the ship breaking in two, and since the boy's drawing was less than accurate in fringe details, the boy must have been mistaken.

Of course, when the ship was imaged on the bottom, she was split in two, right where the teenage boy said he saw her crack.

Sometimes "the truth is out there" where you least expect it to be...

Mark W.

6 posted on 04/15/2002 9:27:52 AM PDT by MarkWar
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To: ppaul
Women and children first.
7 posted on 04/15/2002 9:36:12 AM PDT by butter pecan fan
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
"But as there was a lack of coal and they wanted all the coal for the Titanic …

Jack Johnson went to get onboard
Now the captain said, "We don't haul no coal"
Fare thee Titanic, oh fare thee well

8 posted on 04/15/2002 9:49:16 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Millvena Dean, 90, of Ashurst, England, one of only four survivors still alive today.

Interesting that this article is here today. Just last night, A&E showed a 2 hour program about Titanic and her impact on popular culture. It was a fairly interesting program, narrarated by Victor Garber who played Titanic builder and passenger Thomas Andrews in the hit James Cameron film.

Anyways, when the 1997 film was released, the producers tried like mad to get Ms. Dean to view a showing. She refused. They promised a private showing and a showing with members of the Royal Family and still she flatly refused. Apparently she had seen the 1958 Titanic film, A NIght to Remember and vowed that she would never watch it or any other Titanic film again.

9 posted on 04/15/2002 10:18:02 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: altair
There is local "ship's" time, which changes every 15 degrees of Longitude away from The Prime Meridian,, and Greenwich Mean Time, GMT, or Universal Time, which is based on High Noon in Greenwich, England.

Additional, and unrelated data:

Prior to the explosion of Garmin and the handheld GPS, a navigator at sea would take 'sights' with a sextant, based on what, by 'dead reckoning', he thought "local noon' was. He would note the time of each sight on a clock set to GMT when the sun was at it's highest. This would tell him how far away he was from Greenwich. He would consult a series of tables for that date, in a book called "Bowditch's", and the tables for that date would tell him, based on the Sun's altitude above the horizon, just where he was on the Earth's surface.

10 posted on 04/15/2002 5:12:28 PM PDT by jonascord
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To: jonascord
Thanks for the info.
11 posted on 04/15/2002 6:17:24 PM PDT by altair
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