Posted on 04/12/2002 5:21:54 PM PDT by Republican_Strategist
A HREF="http://whatreallyhappened.tripod.com/ ">Anti Rivero web site
Here’s a web site that is going after Michael Rivero’s conspiracy web site whatreallyhappened.com
Same here. Michael provided a lot of food for thought.
President George H. Bush talks of a NEW WORLD ORDER- click here
President George H. Bush, March 6, 1991
BOB EDWARDS: The comments of journalist David Frum, author of the book Dead Right
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Commentator David Frum points out that the current presidential candidates are discussing the ``new world order,'' as coined by the Bush admnistration. He believes it all boils down to international law.
BOB EDWARDS, Host: The `new world order' - the phrase was coined by the Bush administration and is being used extensively by the candidates this presidential election year. It generally describes a post-Cold- War era of world cooperation. As he contemplates the rhetoric being used by the candidates, commentator David Frum wonders whether the new world order really means `out of order.'
DAVID FRUM, Commentator: `On the day I take that oath of office, the new world order comes crashing down.' That pledge has one of the big applause lines in Patrick Buchanan's standard stump speech, and it should be clear by now that a substantial portion of the Republican primary electorate fails to see anything paranoid about it. Certainly it's clear to Bob Dole, who has begun to appropriate some of Buchanan' s nationalist themes - hostility to the Mexican free trade agreement and dislike of a 5,600-point Dow Jones industrial average. Mimicry may prove less tactically astute than Dole imagines. After all, most of the time Dole argues that the country should send him to the White House as the last representative of the internationalist GI generation. If free trade and U.S. military strength are as obsolete as Buchanan says, then surely Senator Dole is obsolete, too.
Still, it's easy to understand why Dole has been spooked. That phrase, the `new world order' - it's creepy, isn't it? Evangelist Pat Robertson has been derided for his contention that the new world order conceals a secret plan by a network of super-wealthy Satan worshipers to achieve global domination. But really, if a network of super-wealthy Satan Worshipers were scheming to achieve global domination, the new world order sounds exactly like the sort of name they'd give their evil plot. But if the phrase `new world order' is beyond rescue, the thing itself stands in urgent need of rehabilitation and defense.
What we're really talking about is simply this - international law. Since it joined the universal postal convention in 1874, the United States government has signed its name to a proliferating number of accords and agreements that move powers it once exercised into the hands of international agencies. A bilateral U.S.-Canadian commission regulates shipping and pollution on the Great Lakes. Bilateral U.S.- Mexican bodies resolve trade disputes under NAFTA. The Bank of International Settlements settles accounts between the big central banks.
Do Americans lose by this? While the U.S. is the world's biggest debtor nation, it is also the world's biggest overseas investor. It is the world's biggest exporter, the world's biggest source of travelers, and the world's leading producer of intellectual property. Nobody benefits more from rules to protect the property and rights of foreign companies and individuals than the United States and its people, and that's been true ever since Thomas Jefferson sent Commodore Decatur to bombard the Barbary pirates.
Newsflash! People who think Oswald acted alone don't have to have "faith" in the WC. It is perfectly possible to reach that conclusion based on the evidence.
Yep. -- 'Evidence' furnished & demonstrably fiddled with by the Warren comission.
-- Flash! -- You too have the faith, and are blinded by it.
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Their [Carcanos rifles] characteristics are well known, and Oswalds, in particular, was a piece of junk incapable of performing as the Warren Report claimed. - That is an established fact, which you blindly deny in your loony way.
No, it's a myth. The established fact is just the opposite. The myths are much more known than the facts and that's why most people think there was a conspiracy.
Even the warren report admits the problems with oswalds rifle, & its inability to perform as needed without a 'magic bullet' scenario.
-- The magic bullet is the myth. You believe in magic.
Newsflash! People who think Oswald acted alone don't have to have "faith" in the WC. It is perfectly possible to reach that conclusion based on the evidence.
Yep. -- 'Evidence' furnished & demonstrably fiddled with by the Warren comission. -- Flash! -- You too have the faith, and are blinded by it.
I said "the evidence", I didn't say the Warren Commission. Much of the evidence was naturally introduced by the WC becuase it was the first investigation, but it wasn't the only one. In any case, just because an item of evidence has a WC exhibit number doesn't disqualify it. All the conspiracy books also rely on WC evidence, don't you know that?
It is very easy to try to get the answer you want by simply labeling contrary evidence as being unreliable. It is also irrational. It isn't so just because you say so. You need to prove it.
Their [Carcanos rifles] characteristics are well known, and Oswalds, in particular, was a piece of junk incapable of performing as the Warren Report claimed. - That is an established fact, which you blindly deny in your loony way.
No, it's a myth. The established fact is just the opposite. The myths are much more known than the facts and that's why most people think there was a conspiracy.
Even the warren report admits the problems with oswalds rifle, & its inability to perform as needed without a 'magic bullet' scenario. -- The magic bullet is the myth. You believe in magic.
What are you talking about? What does the Warren report admit?
The single bullet scenario has nothing to do with the rifle's inability to perform. You aren't even making sense.
I neither believe in magic nor unfounded propaganda. You don't win the argument by being offering the most insults, sorry.
Fred25 bought a Carcano and knows the handling characteristics of it. I would trust him to know more about Carcanos than MR or you any day..
Just *buying a Carcano* won't get it, even if Fred is aware of the *handling characteristics. It'd be particularly helpful if he'd had the exact type military Carcano supposedly used by Oswald, since that model has rifling characteristics entirely different from all the other many Carcano models, produced in two primary calibers- which is another interesting issue.
And of course, Fred's rifle should also have a six-groove barrel, as per the markings on one bullet supposedly recovered from a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. - archy -
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Yep, this 'magic bullet' groove problem was brought up at one point in the JFK threads, - but I believe that the shooter/fred25/mio true believer contingent just dismissed it and went on to more important dictabelt analaysis details that proved, -- what? - Something or another...
-- As I said earlier, they are just as goofy & kooky, in a way, -- as Rivero.
"It is very easy to try to get the answer you want by simply labeling contrary evidence as being unreliable." [ie, - myth]
"It is also irrational. It isn't so just because you say so. You need to prove it."
Oh, but in his mind, he does.
So did Ted Kaczynski. Hard work and research are not always something to be admired.
Only on FR could calling Michael "But, but ... my GLIDER!" Rivero out on his bizarre theories result in someone using the word "Republican!" as if it were some sort of insult.
I love this place.
This thread should be a required read for all FR newbies, so they'll know who's interested in actually discussing the issues of the day, and who just wants to sit around and moan, blaming everything on The Grand Conspiracy.
And with that, the Oxford Debate Society retired to an evening of tea and crumpets.
No, it's a myth. The established fact is just the opposite. The myths are much more known than the facts and that's why most people think there was a conspiracy.
Even the warren report admits the problems with oswalds rifle, & its inability to perform as needed without a 'magic bullet' scenario. -- The magic bullet is the myth. You believe in magic.
What are you talking about? What does the Warren report admit? The single bullet scenario has nothing to do with the rifle's inability to perform.
- Good grief. - I am certainly not going to explain all of that to you again. - Read the post to me just above about the 'six groove' magic bullet for a starter.
You aren't even making sense. I neither believe in magic nor unfounded propaganda. You don't win the argument by being offering the most insults, sorry.
Well, if you think you can 'win' by playing dumb & denying reality, - feel free.
These numbers don't appear to show Jim all alone with his computer.
You realize this is the straight from the Cynthia McKinney School of Political Science, right?
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