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New smallpox terror alert
ThisisLondon ^ | April 12, 2002 | Malcolm Withers and Patrick Hennessy

Posted on 04/12/2002 10:30:09 AM PDT by My Identity

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To: My Identity
Ahh...point taken. Well, I vaguely remember watching some TV news show where they went into one of the Russian bio labs, and the samples were just in test tubes in an unlocked refrigerator. I'm not sure the government has to have verified knowledge that the Russian samples have been nicked to worry about it.
21 posted on 04/12/2002 6:32:26 PM PDT by pragmatic
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To: My Identity
But the guvmint seems to me to be taking smallpox very seriously. And, therefore, it seems reasonable to conclude that the guvmint's assessment of the threat is very very high. Since our stocks are presumably secure, the other source is Russia...

Right you are.

Here's the story of the demon in the freezer...

22 posted on 04/12/2002 7:10:41 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: AndrewC
We require children to be vaccinated against chickenpox. A reversal of priorities.

The smallpox vaccine has a higher complication rate and more serious complications (like death).

23 posted on 04/12/2002 7:19:30 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: My Identity
Wonder how much paper work will be required before you can be vaccinated??
24 posted on 04/12/2002 7:42:41 PM PDT by constitution
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To: Interesting Times
Excerpted from THE DEMON IN THE FREEZER

The US government keeps a list of nations and groups that it suspects either have clandestine stocks of smallpox or seem to be trying to buy or steal the virus. The list is classified, but it is said to include Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Serbia, terrorist organization of Osama bin Laden and, possibly, the Aum Shinrikyo sect of Japan.

Ken Alibek, who was once Kanatjan Alibekov, a leading Soviet bioweaponeer and the inventor of the world's most powerful anthrax, defected, in 1992, and revealed how far the Soviet Union had gone with bioweapons. Alibek says that there were twenty tons of liquid smallpox kept on hand at Soviet military bases.

In 1989, a Soviet biologist named Vladimir Pasechnik defected to Britain. British intelligence spent a year debriefing him. By the end, the British agents felt they had confirmed that the U.S.S.R. had biological missiles aimed at the US. This information reached President George Bush and the British PM Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher then apparently confronted the Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev. She was furious, and so was Bush. Gorbachev responded by allowing a small, secret team of American and British bioweapons inspectors to tour Soviet biowarfare facilities. In January of 1991, the inspectors travelled across the U.S.S.R., getting whirlwind looks at some of the major clandestine bases of the Soviet biowarfare program, which was called Biopreparat. The inspectors were frightened by what they discovered. ("I would describe it as scary, and I feel a responsibility to tell the world medical community about what I saw, because doctors could face these diseases," said one inspector, Frank Malinoski, M.D., Ph.D.) On January 14th, the team arrived at Vector, the main virology complex, in Siberia, and the next day, they were shown into a laboratory called Building 6, where one of the inspectors, David Kelly, took a technician aside and asked him what virus they had been working with. The technician said that they had been working with smallpox. Kelly repeated the question three times. Three times, he asked the technician, "You mean you were working with Variola major?" and he emphasized to the technician that his answer was very important. The technician responded emphatically that it was Variola major [the killer strain]. Kelly says that his interpreter was the best Russian interpreter the British government has. "There was no ambiguity," Kelly says. The inspectors were stunned. Vector was not supposed to have any smallpox at all, much less be working with it -- a supreme violation of rules set down by the W.H.O.

Per Malinoski: "There were tons of smallpox virus made in the Soviet Union. The Russians admitted that to us. One of the Vector leaders when he said to us, 'Listen, we didn't account for every ampule of the virus. We had large quantities of it on hand. There were plenty of opportunities for staff members to walk away with an ampule. Although we think we know where our formerly employed scientists are, we can't account for all of them-we don't know where all of them are.' " Today, smallpox and its protocols could be anywhere in the world.

Sitting with D. A. Henderson [widely credited with the eradication of smallpox ] in his house, I mentioned what seemed to be the great and tragic paradox of his life's work. The eradication caused the human species to lose its immunity to smallpox, and that was what made it possible for the Soviets to turn smallpox into a weapon rivalling the hydrogen bomb.

Henderson responded with silence, and then said thoughtfully, "I feel very sad about this. The eradication never would have succeeded without the Russians. Viktor Zhdanov [who first raised the idea] started it, and they did so much. They were extremely proud of what they had done. I felt the virus was in good hands with the Russians. I never would have suspected. They made twenty tons -- twenty tons -- of smallpox. For us to have come so far with the disease, and now to have to deal with this human creation, when there are so many other problems in the world . . ." He was quiet again. "It's a great letdown," he said.

Immune people are like control rods in a nuclear reactor. The American population has little immunity [the vaccination begins wears off after 10 years], so it's a reactor with no control rods. We could have an uncontrolled smallpox chain reaction." This would be something that terrorism experts refer to as a "soft kill" of the United States of America.

25 posted on 04/12/2002 9:10:53 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: Dinsdale
The smallpox vaccine has a higher complication rate and more serious complications (like death).

Well, the disease is also more dangerous than chicken pox.

Side effects and adverse reactions from the smallpox vaccine range from fever to tissue necrosis and extensive lesions to encephalitis. A death rate of one per 1 million vaccinations is noted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Varicella (chickenpox) vaccine

Printable version (vaccine information sheet) (.pdf)

Mild Problems

Moderate Problems

Severe Problems

Other serious problems, including severe brain reactions and low blood count, have been reported after chickenpox vaccination. These happen so rarely experts cannot tell whether they are caused by the vaccine or not.  If they are, it is extremely rare.


26 posted on 04/12/2002 10:12:39 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Aggie Mama
I think we'd all best keep a spare pair of britches on hand...

From Demon in the Freezer

...Smallpox is explosively contagious, and it travels through the air. Virus particles in the mouth become airborne when the host talks. If you inhale a single particle of smallpox, you can come down with the disease. After you've been infected, there is a typical incubation period of ten days. During that time, you feel normal. Then the illness hits with a spike of fever, a backache, and vomiting, and a bit later tiny red spots appear all over the body. The spots turn into blisters, called pustules, and the pustules enlarge, filling with pressurized opalescent pus. The eruption of pustules is sometimes called the splitting of the dermis. The skin doesn't break, but splits horizontally, tearing away from its underlayers. The pustules become hard, bloated sacs the size of peas, encasing the body with pus, and the skin resembles a cobbled stone street.

The pain of the splitting is extraordinary. People lose the ability to speak, and their eyes can squeeze shut with pustules, but they remain alert. Death comes with a breathing arrest or a heart attack or shock or an immune-system storm, though exactly how smallpox kills a person is not known. There are many mysteries about the smallpox virus. Since the seventeenth century, doctors have understood that if the pustules merge into sheets across the body the victim will usually die: the virus has split the whole skin. If the victim survives, the pustules turn into scabs and fall off, leaving scars. This is known as ordinary smallpox.

Some people develop extreme smallpox, which is loosely called black pox. Doctors separate black pox into two forms -- flat smallpox and hemorrhagic smallpox. In a case of flat smallpox, the skin remains smooth and doesn't pustulate, but it darkens until it looks charred, and it can slip off the body in sheets. In hemorrhagic smallpox, black, unclotted blood oozes or runs from the mouth and other body orifices. Black pox is close to a hundred per cent fatal. If any sign of it appears in the body, the victim will almost certainly die. In the bloody cases, the virus destroys the linings of the throat, the stomach, the intestines, the rectum, and the vagina, and these membranes disintegrate. Fatal smallpox can destroy the body's entire skin -- both the exterior skin and the interior skin that lines the passages of the body.

Smallpox virus's scientific name is variola. It means "spotted" in Latin, and it was given to the disease by a medieval bishop. The virus, as a life form, comes in two subspecies: Variola minor and Variola major. Minor is a weak mutant, and was first described in 1863 by doctors in Jamaica. People usually survive it. Classic major kills one out of three people if they haven't been vaccinated or if they've lost their immunity. The death rate with major can go higher -- how much higher no one knows. Variola major killed half of its victims in an outbreak in Canada in 1924, and presumably many of them developed black pox. Smallpox is less contagious than measles but more contagious than mumps. It tends to go around until it has infected nearly everyone.

Most people today have no immunity to smallpox. The vaccine begins to wear off in many people after ten years. Mass vaccination for smallpox came to a worldwide halt around twenty-five years ago. There is now very little smallpox vaccine on hand in the United States or anywhere else in the world. The World Health Organization once had ten million doses of the vaccine in storage in Geneva, Switzerland, but in 1990 an advisory committee recommended that most of it be destroyed, feeling that smallpox was longer a threat. Nine and a half million doses are assumed to have been cooked in an oven, leaving the W.H.O. with a total supply of half a million doses -- one dose of smallpox vaccine for every twelve thousand people on earth. A recent survey by the W.H.O. revealed that there is only one factory in the world that has recently made even a small quantity of the vaccine, and there may be no factory capable of making sizable amounts. The vaccine was discovered in the age of Thomas Jefferson, and making a lot of it would seem simple, but so far the United States government has been unable to get any made at all. Variola virus is now classified as a Biosafety Level 4 hot agent -- the most dangerous kind of virus -- because it is lethal, airborne, and highly contagious, and is now exotic to the human species, and there is not enough vaccine to stop an outbreak. Experts feel that the appearance of a single case of smallpox anywhere on earth would be a global medical emergency...

CDC smallpox information

"Modeling Potential Responses to Smallpox as a Bioterrorist Weapon" (see Table 1 if you like creepy statistics)

"Smallpox: An Attack Scenario"

27 posted on 04/13/2002 2:39:28 AM PDT by Pistias
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To: Pistias
G'morning Pistias and all!

In the first place the ONLY host for Smallpox is human beings. Smallpox was never eradicated, and there are carriers "out there" now, who even without any terrorist activity will eventually cause another outbreak of Smallpox, - it's inevitable.

The last outbreak in Eastern Europe just a few years ago (AFTER it had been declared eradicated) was in a man who had recently been re-vaccinated for Smallpox. Within weeks, everyone in the country had contracted the illness, and this is a country that routinely vaccinates for Smallpox and most people had been vaccinated at least 10 times. QUARANTINE and NOT VACCINE is what contained the disease and saved the people.

QUARANTINE is the best way to prevent getting the disease, unless you know of some way to get cowpox scrapings (which would confer immunity), but if you do you're one up on those of us who've been investigating this for months now.

The important things to remember are that humans are THE ONLY host for Smallpox, ergo in never was eradicated, since it has resurfaced in at least two places that we know of in the last few years.

Another thing to remember, is that the FEAR of this dis-ease is at least as dangerous as the disease itself. There are many things one can do to avoid contamination and there are many steps one can take to ensure survival if contamination does occur. They are not hard to find, they are all over the net, just do your homework.

The FEAR of SP is also a fantastic tool for TPTB to control the masses. Security (as in agree to whatever TPTB wants) for freedom from that fear would not be difficult to achieve if a REAL threat were perceived.

Just some things to think about.

In the love and peace of Christ, - Jesse.

28 posted on 04/13/2002 4:46:53 AM PDT by Jessebelle
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To: Jessebelle
unless you know of some way to get cowpox scrapings (which would confer immunity), but if you do you're one up on those of us who've been investigating this for months now.

LOL--yeah, just take my advice: stand clear of the rear, or you'll be sorry...

And it also occurs to me that the Powers certainly have a convenient method of pushing through legislation which requires compliance with health organizations in times of epidemic--necessary, I admit, but oh-so easy to abuse given the right inclination and capability.

29 posted on 04/13/2002 5:03:33 AM PDT by Pistias
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