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US moves forward to sell 8 submarines to Taiwan(China whines)
rense.com ^ | 4-10-2 | unknown

Posted on 04/10/2002 4:51:56 PM PDT by demlosers

A US military team is to soon travel to Taiwan, bearing proposals for the sale of up to eight diesel electric submarines, to make good on a promise by President George W. Bush, a Pentagon spokesman said.

The team, consisting of US Navy officials and members of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, are to deliver a variety of design and construction proposals drawn up by contractors, Lieutenant Commander Jeff Davis said.

"The president made a commitment to Taiwan last April to help it procure diesel submarines," he said. "That commitment was made in earnest and we intend to make good on it."

Beijing reacted with fury last year when the Taiwanese arms package was unveiled, but so far Taipei has not acted on offers of submarines or four Kidd-class destroyers.

The United States neither owns nor builds diesel electric submarines itself and so had been expected to turn to European contractors for designs.

Davis would not identify the contractors that have submitted proposals for the submarines or say whether they included foreign contractors.

"We have received a number of viable proposals from industry," he said. "We are in the processs of reviewing and assessing those proposals."

The Wall Street Journal, which first reported the development, said both Northrop Grumman Corp. and General Dynamics Corp. have offered "concept" proposals on how they would they would build the subs.


TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: asia; asiasinouswatch; china; chinastuff; defense; fareast; miltech; submarines; taiwan; zanupf
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To: IVote2
I read Sun Tzu's the Art of War, and it was full of these kinds of tactics. Taiwan is a great place for American Corporations to have things made, I'll grant you that. My only concern, is if, and this is a big IF, the Taiwanese people are aligned with China in secret, and lulling us into selling them our equipment, then I can see a real problem on the horizon. I can also see a huge problem if China overwhelms them, takes them over, then they have our equipment yet again.
21 posted on 04/11/2002 7:46:20 AM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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To: Leisler
Why not nuclear?

You don't need to stay under water forever when you only need to patrol a couple hundred miles. These aren't for conquering the Pacific, they're for defending a little island.

22 posted on 04/11/2002 7:54:26 AM PDT by Palmetto
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To: SolitaryMan
No, spent my time inside a 688.

It seems to me that Taiwan's strategy is to fight a delaying action if they need to and beg the world to save them. (world = the US, of course). And submarines would effectively bar the Strait to troopships. Everyone knows countries cannot be controlled from the air.

23 posted on 04/11/2002 10:45:32 AM PDT by Ten Megaton Solution
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To: MadRobotArtist
Something to ponder...

Not really.

24 posted on 04/11/2002 10:50:13 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: PokeyJoe
I agree with you about rense. And you greatly insult Debka with the comparison.

But this is simply a regurgitation of reports in Wasll Street Journal and many other sources.

It's accurate. The US is also selling anti-sub Orions to Taiwan.

25 posted on 04/11/2002 10:52:08 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: aristeides
Electronic countermeasures will not work against the inertial navigation of these missiles. I don't think the US would use any of it weapons to attack China's missile sites, and I doubt that Taiwan had the means to stop them either.
26 posted on 04/11/2002 12:28:03 PM PDT by SolitaryMan
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To: tallhappy
Rense himself doesn't agree what he post on his website. He has said, is "...to make people think." He doesn't filter the news and then dispense it to the public. I probably disagree with 1/3 or higher with the info. he has on his website, but I found this news article to pass the smell test.

Here is another sourceGuardian Unlimited using AP

U.s. Eager To Help Taiwan's Military
By Robert Burns

Tuesday April 9, 2002 10:10 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) - The United States can help Taiwan as much by improving its military as it can by selling it new weapons, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told Taiwanese defense officials at a closed-door conference. ``We are eager to help'' Taiwan strengthen civilian control of its military, make more rational purchases of new weapons and improve coordination between its army, navy and air force, Wolfowitz said.

His remarks were delivered March 11 at a conference in St. Petersburg, Fla., organized by the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, whose chairman is a former defense secretary, Frank Carlucci. The speech was off-limits to reporters and the Pentagon refused to release a copy of Wolfowitz's remarks except in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

The conference was especially sensitive for the Bush administration because it granted a U.S. visa to Taiwanese Defense Minister Tang Yiau-ming to attend the session, a move that angered the Chinese government. China regards Taiwan as a renegade province and opposes U.S.-Taiwan military ties.

In a sign of its anger over U.S. dealings with Taiwan, China refused a request by the USS Curtis Wilbur, a guided missile destroyer based in Yokosuka, Japan, to make a port call this week at Hong Kong.

China also is expected to object to U.S. plans to send a delegation to Taiwan to present proposals for supplying the Taiwan navy with diesel-powered submarines, a sale first proposed by the Bush administration last April. The Pentagon is reviewing industry proposals for building the submarines, and spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Jeff Davis said Tuesday that the meeting in Taiwan could happen by May.

The United States broke off relations with Taiwan in 1979 in order to establish official ties with the communist Chinese government, but it keeps an unofficial embassy on the island and is its biggest weapons supplier.

In his speech, Wolfowitz repeated the standard U.S. statement that it opposes Taiwan independence but will do ``whatever it takes'' to help Taiwan defend itself. Wolfowitz's emphasis on improving the quality of Taiwan's military training, as well as the quality of its weaponry, reflects an administration belief that Taiwan faces a growing threat from China's military modernization.

``Taiwan needs reform in its defense establishment to meet the challenges of the 21st century,'' Wolfowitz said.

Wolfowitz cited the hundreds of shorter-range ballistic missiles that China has stationed across the Taiwan Strait.

``These missiles are clearly designed to project a threatening posture, and to try to intimidate the people and the democratically elected government of Taiwan - so far, I'm happy to say, without much success,'' he said.

Wolfowitz said the Pentagon also is watching closely the modernization of China's navy, which could eventually pose problems for Taiwan.

``Taiwan needs to remain vigilant, and it should commit to increasing professionalism of its military ranks, and increasing jointness among its services to keep pace with potential changes in the security situation in the strait,'' he said.

27 posted on 04/11/2002 12:58:24 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: PokeyJoe
See post #27
28 posted on 04/11/2002 1:00:19 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
I didn't know rense was a person.

But I never questioned this report.

It is all over the place. Rense just re-reported them.

29 posted on 04/11/2002 1:00:42 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
Yes I know. The post was really more directed toward PokeyJoe.
30 posted on 04/11/2002 1:07:23 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: MadRobotArtist
I believe your fear is unfounded. Fear more that the advanced technology they have there would fall to China if they fulfilled their desire to crush Taiwan and control them. My husband has been there and seen several of the electronic labs, they are very advanced. Taiwan is struggling to be independent and free. They have no desire to lose what they have.
31 posted on 04/11/2002 3:15:52 PM PDT by IVote2
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To: IVote2
That is my only concern, however I am all for Taiwanese Independence.
32 posted on 04/11/2002 3:38:05 PM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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