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Three elderly people with knives arrested at Palm Beach airport
Drudge | April 4, 2002 | AP

Posted on 04/04/2002 6:50:19 AM PST by SLB

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - (AP) -- Three passengers in their 70s were arrested and later released in separate incidents at Palm Beach International Airport for allegedly trying to board flights while carrying knives.

Security screeners found the knives in carry-on luggage during routine checks early Wednesday, airport sheriff's deputies said.

Authorities charged each traveler with carrying a concealed weapon, a first-degree misdemeanor that carries a penalty of up to a year in the county jail and a $1,000 fine. The FBI declined to press federal charges.

According to sheriff's records, Harold Shepard, 71, of New York, told deputies he was not carrying knives. Officers said they arrested Shepard after finding a knife with a 7 ½-inch blade in a box that was taped shut. He was later released from jail on $250 bond.

In the other incidents, Elizabeth Napleton, 76, of Illinois, and Stanley Reinhart, 79, of California, were issued notices to appear in court and allowed to board their flights. Authorities did not release their hometowns.

Napleton told deputies that she had meant to check the briefcase containing the knives, but later decided to bring it on the plane, authorities said.

Reinhart was stopped while carrying a steak knife with a 5-inch blade packed in his shaving kit, authorities said. Reinhart said he had just driven across the country and had kept the knife to cut his food while he was staying in hotels.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Florida
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To: areafiftyone
"We either want safety or we don't. WHICH IS IT?"

"Those who would sacrifice their liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security." - Ben Franklin

So you're happy with the facts that:

1. Our airports now resemble armed camps, with tableaus indistinguishable from airports in a dictatorship.

2. The whole process is pointless for increasing security, and is just done for visual effect. (I can tell you half a dozen ways to defeat their pitiful efforts.)

3. Seven year old Caucasians are being screened and having their shoes tested (happened earlier this month to my son). Yessir, boy, that's going to catch a lot of terrorists.

I stand by my previous implication. Those who believe that the "feds know best" and anything goes to "increase security" are unthinking sheep.

21 posted on 04/04/2002 7:22:27 AM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: chiefqc
"But then again for the most part when does the federal goverment have to make any sense."

Common sense is grounds for termination. It will not be tolerated!

22 posted on 04/04/2002 7:29:20 AM PST by Deguello
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To: Joe Bonforte
Well thats just tough isn't it? Listen we all brag about Israel's airport security and but we can't stand any inconvenience here. And with that mentality we will never have secure airports. We might as well just welcome the terrorists with open arms. These seniors knew about the rules regarding knives before they got on the planes. Its been all over the papers. bottom line is why didn't they use common sense and not take them along?
23 posted on 04/04/2002 7:29:45 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
How about voluntarily surrendering your rights? I think airline security is the responsibility of the airlines, not the government. Let the free market and competition provide the finest security we can voluntarily buy. Arm the pilots. Arm some plain clothed law enforcement after some rigorous certification that affords them the benefit of flying free and just compensation while on duty.

But no, overpaid K-Mart cashier clerks, with government badges is NOT the security that I wanted. Criminal procecution of a senior that has a wrapped up pocket knife in his carry-on bag is not security. Groping my wife and kids is not security. Random baggage checks, random strip searches are not security.

WHICH IS IT? Give me my rights. Permit me to contract my own security. Simple.

24 posted on 04/04/2002 7:31:02 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: SLB
Oh, give 'em a break, will ya?! These seniors were confused by the design of the knives - they thought they were voting for Al Gore when they packed them!
25 posted on 04/04/2002 7:32:13 AM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: scottiewottie
You know what - how about if everyone carried weapons on board - that includes nutjobs too. Then we can have a free for all. Come on. I believe in the right to bear arms too but how can we expect to make our airports safe if we don't want to follow some rules.
26 posted on 04/04/2002 7:33:58 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
"Look I don't like the idea of rules either but in order to make it safer we needthem in place."

Safer for whom? I don't think it's "safer" for me that I have to fly unarmed in the presense of those who seem able to get weapons through security at will.

Arm the passengers, and stop all this nonsense.

27 posted on 04/04/2002 7:34:50 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: SLB
Wasn't it just yesterday we had news of some 93 year old woman blowing away an intruder? Old people have just as much potential to be dangerous and/ or nuts as anybody else. Remember, Arafat is no spring chicken.
28 posted on 04/04/2002 7:35:05 AM PST by discostu
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To: ethical
"Nope. My 94 year old friend always takes her knife with her on trips to cut fruit. A lot of old people got a thing about their knifes, they sharpen em themselves and are particular about what knife they cut their food wit"

I use an 16 inch 1898 Turkish baynet to dig up weeds in my yard. I tell the neighbors that it is a mail-order gardening tool. My 65 year old Mom wants one.

29 posted on 04/04/2002 7:36:21 AM PST by Deguello
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To: SLB
Obviously terrorists. Weren't some of the 9/11 hijackers elderly people carrying knives? I'm trying to do a Lexis/Nexis search to find out how many airplanes have been hijacked recently by elderly persons carrying steak knives. I'll let you know how many.
30 posted on 04/04/2002 7:36:34 AM PST by Gunner9mm
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To: wcbtinman
Jeeze looks like I am outnumbered here 100 to 1. Oh well gotta start packin!
31 posted on 04/04/2002 7:36:38 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: SLB
Those damned Geriatrics! Send them all back to...where is Gerialand?
32 posted on 04/04/2002 7:36:39 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: squantos; pocat; Lion Den Dan; Travis McGee; harpseal; the irate magistrate; Jim Robinson...
Looks like we have a healthy debate going on. Kind of reminds me of the FR of two or three years ago.
33 posted on 04/04/2002 7:37:59 AM PST by SLB
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To: areafiftyone
"And with that mentality we will never have secure airports."

We'll never have secure airports until we turn into a complete police state, which you seem perfectly happy with. You also ignore the following:

1. Terrorists with knives will never again take over a plane to crash it into something. That didn't even work all four times on 9/11. The passengers and crew will never let it happen again.

2. The solution is not to "secure airports" because airports don't crash into buildings. The obvious solution is to secure the airplanes - allow pilots and crew to be armed, and possibly to have federal marshalls or other law enforcement on the flight itself.

Whether you like or not, the current security at airports is nothing but a charade designed to make people (like you apparently) feel better. Didn't you see the newspaper articles a few weeks ago about how the investigators could get guns and knives through security with relative ease, even after 9/11? The current arrangements are not increasing security significantly, but they are certainly conditioning our people to accept police state measures.

34 posted on 04/04/2002 7:38:15 AM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: areafiftyone
2. You're out number 100 to 2.

As Red Foreman said: we're a society of rules, if it wasn't for rules we'd still be a bunch of monkies throwing crap at each other from trees.

35 posted on 04/04/2002 7:38:29 AM PST by discostu
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To: Joe Bonforte
We'll never have secure airports until we turn into a complete police state, which you seem perfectly happy with

Don't put words in my mouth. That was uncalled for.

36 posted on 04/04/2002 7:39:08 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: SLB
Public education is an oxymoron

Government security is too

37 posted on 04/04/2002 7:41:53 AM PST by B. A. Conservative
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To: areafiftyone
"Don't put words in my mouth. That was uncalled for."

If I have misunderstood you, I apologize. You could prevent that, however, by addressing some of the points I raise instead of just repeating "we have to follow the rules to have security!" over and over in different terminology.

38 posted on 04/04/2002 7:44:10 AM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: Joe Bonforte
The obvious solution is to secure the airplanes - allow pilots and crew to be armed, and possibly to have federal marshalls or other law enforcement on the flight itself.

Well I agree with you on this one. Of course I don't believe in a police state. I absolutely believe in "the right to bear arms" but I just think on planes it should be law enforcement and pilots. Maybe after seeing 9/11 happen in front of my eyes has made me leery of passengers.

39 posted on 04/04/2002 7:50:16 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Here, let me help you. Do I want everyone in the plane carrying guns, knives, and hand grenades?

NO! Stop making up stuff. Your implication that I would endorse such an idea drops your intelligence a few points.

Let me buy my security and you buy yours. If you want to fly naked on Virgin Airlines so that you are safe, you should be able to do it. If someone wants long lines, consultations with attourneys, psychologists, and retina scan badges valid only on day of purchase at American Airlines, you should be able to do it. If I want to want to fly Southwest Airlines with no security check point, locked carry-on storage containers, plain clothed armed security, armed pilots, and a complimentary bag of roasted nuts, I should be able to do it.

40 posted on 04/04/2002 7:50:43 AM PST by scottiewottie
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