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French Jews warn of new Kristallnacht
Theage.com.au/AFP ^ | 4/01/02 | staff

Posted on 03/31/2002 7:00:19 PM PST by LarryLied

The Jewish community's official representation in France warned today of a "new Kristallnacht" after a series of attacks on Jewish targets over the weekend.

The Central Consistory in Paris said it was "profoundly worried by the repeated attacks on French synagogues," and called on the government immediately to step up protection of Jewish buildings and institutions.

"Without this, we would have no choice but to consider the Jewish community as living through the beginnings of a new Kristallnacht, with the government totally passive," the Consistory said in a statement.

Kristallnacht is the name given to the night of November 9, 1938, when German mobs embarked on an orgy of anti-Semitic violence with the encouragement of Adolf Hitler's Nazi government.

President Jacques Chirac added his voice to the growing condemnation of the violence, which he described as "extremely worrying." "Whether it's against places of worship, or Jewish people, or the things they represent -- it is totally unacceptable," Chirac said.

In the latest attack vandals set fire to the front of a synagogue in the eastern French city of Strasbourg early today, and Jewish leaders said it was provoked by a large anti-Israeli demonstration there the day before.

Petrol was poured on the doors of the synagogue in the Cronenbourg quarter, and the subsequent fire spread into the hall before being extinguished, but there was no serious damage.

"I am not surprised by the fire. On Saturday anti-Israeli cries were raised, but also cries of hate. The crowd was whipped up, which was wrong," said Gilbert Roos, honorary Israeli consul in the city.

Muslim groups had organised a march through Strasbourg yesterday in support of the Palestinian intifada and to protest at Israel's armed attack on Palestinian President Yasser Arafat's headquarters in Ramallah.

In other incidents, around 15 masked assailants smashed two cars into a synagogue in the southeastern French city of Lyon early yesterday, and last evening a man fired two shots from a shotgun at the front of a kosher butcher's in the southern city of Toulouse.

In Lyon, the leader of the local Muslim community, Kamel Kabtane, visited the La Duchere synagogue today in a gesture of solidarity.

"I am always available to do what is needed to send out a signal to those who want to sow hatred," he said.

Israeli leaders -- including Prime Minister Ariel Sharon -- have said French anti-Semitism is on the rise, but the government in Paris argues that the attacks are mainly the work of Muslims of North African origin and must be seen in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


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To: LarryLied
Let's see, I'm looking on a map. Isn't that Algeria directly south of France? Where thousands of people had their throats slit in the middle of the night in the mid-1990's, in the most gory episodes since WWII?
41 posted on 04/01/2002 12:11:56 AM PST by Fulbright
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To: Godel
If current birth and immigration rates continue, most of Europe will be majority muslim within 2 generations.

But they wont. War is coming.

Nuff said.

Tuor

42 posted on 04/01/2002 12:13:41 AM PST by Tuor
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
There's some good info on this site you provided the link for. But some of the language on it, well, let's just say it made me raise an eyebrow.
43 posted on 04/01/2002 12:36:06 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Yehuda
Thats a good question...
Recent media attention reveals a near run-out on Hand guns in Israel..vendors are well into back order.
Training facilites are fully booked...the increase is addressed most directly to "Settlers".

Personelly.. think this is good news for Israel.
Community protection will be bolstered as experienced handlers walk their environs.
It shows the National psychy is one of determination and application....Israeli's are in for the long haul.

44 posted on 04/01/2002 1:13:44 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: dennisw; TopQuark; Yehuda; Alouette; Travis McGee; ALL
These attacks in France are carried out by Algerian, Tunesian and Moroccan muslims. The French authorities just stand and watch from the side, like the British police force did in 1929 in Hebron. In France they rather have the muslims than Jews. So be it, let the French drown in the people they now protect. One day the muslims will turn on the French.

The Jews are very welcome in the Netherlands, like they always where. There a lot of people now have seen that the Jewish people are the good one. Two of my friends, that were very anti-Jewish, turned 180 degrees around and now verbaly attack people like Marcel van Dam, the guy who on TV says the Palestinians have the right to kill Jews!

And the anti-Jewish muslims on the Dutch forums fall silent when you confront them like I do. We stand united in this fight. We can make a difference!

When Haim Nachman Bialik wrote his poem, it inspired a lot of Jews to not let themselves to be slaughtered and fight back.

ARISE and go now to the city of slaughter;
Into its courtyard wind thy way;
There with shine own hand touch, and with the eyes of shine head,
Behold on tree, on stone, on fence, on mural clay,
The spattered blood and dried brains of the dead.
Proceed thence to the ruins, the split walls reach,
Where wider grows the hollow, and greater grows the breach;
Pass over the shattered hearth, attain the broken wall
Whose burnt and barren brick, whose charred stones reveal
The open mouths of such wounds, that no mending
Shall ever mend, nor healing ever heal.
There will thy feet in feathers sink, and stumble
On wreckage doubly wrecked, scroll heaped on manuscript,
Fragments again fragmented—
Pause not upon this havoc; go thy way.
The perfumes will be wafted from the acacia bud
And half its blossoms will be feathers,
Whose smell is the smell of blood!
And, spiting thee, strange incense they will bring—
Banish thy loathing—all the beauty of the spring,
The thousand golden arrows of the sun,
Will flash upon thy malison;
The sevenfold rays of broken glass
Over thy sorrow joyously will pass,
For God called up the slaughter and the spring together,—
The slayer slew, the blossom burst, and it was sunny weather!
Then wilt thou flee to a yard, observe its mound.
Upon the mound lie two, and both are headless—
A Jew and his hound.
The self-same axe struck both, and both were flung
Unto the self-same heap where swine seek dung;
Tomorrow the rain will wash their mingled blood
Into the runners, and it will be lost
In rubbish heap, in stagnant pool, in mud.
Its cry will not be heard.
It will descend into the deep, or water the cockle-burr.
And all things will be as they ever were.

Unto the attic mount, upon thy feet and hands;
Behold the shadow of death among the shadows stands.
There in the dismal corner, there in the shadowy nook,
Multitudinous eyes will look
Upon thee from the sombre silence—
The spirits of the martyrs are these souls,
Gathered together, at long last,
Beneath these rafters and in these ignoble holes.
The hatchet found them here, and hither do they come

To seal with a last look, as with their final breath,
The agony of their lives, the terror of their death.
Tumbling and stumbling wraiths, they come, and cower there
Their silence whimpers, and it is their eyes which cry
Wherefore, O Lord, and why?
It is a silence only God can bear.
Lift then shine eyes to the roof; there's nothing there,
Save silences that hang from rafters
And brood upon the air:
Question the spider in his lair!
His eyes beheld these things; and with his web he can
A tale unfold horrific to the ear of man:
A tale of cloven belly, feather-filled;
Of nostrils nailed, of skull-bones bashed and spilled;
Of murdered men who from the beams were hung,
And of a babe beside its mother flung,
Its mother speared, the poor chick finding rest
Upon its mother's cold and milkless breast;
Of how a dagger halved an infant's word,
Its ma was heard, its mama never heard.
O, even now its eyes from me demand accounting,
For these the tales the spider is recounting,
Tales that do puncture the brain, such tales that sever
Thy body, spirit, soul, from life, forever!
Then wilt thou bid thy spirit—Hold, enough!
Stifle the wrath that mounts within thy throat,
Bury these things accursed,
Within the depth of thy heart, before thy heart will burst!

Then wilt thou leave that place, and go thy way— And lo— The earth is as it was, the sun still shines: It is a day like any other day.

Descend then, to the cellars of the town,
There where the virginal daughters of thy folk were fouled,
Where seven heathen flung a woman down,
The daughter in the presence of her mother,
The mother in the presence of her daughter,
Before slaughter, during slaughter, and after slaughter!
Touch with thy hand the cushion stained; touch
The pillow incarnadined:
This is the place the wild ones of the wood, the beasts of the field
With bloody axes in their paws compelled thy daughters yield:
Beasted and swiped!
Note also do not fail to note,
In that dark corner, and behind that cask
Crouched husbands, bridegrooms, brothers, peering from the cracks,
Watching the sacred bodies struggling underneath
The bestial breath,
Stifled in filth, and swallowing their blood!
Watching from the darkness and its mesh
The lecherous rabble portioning for booty
Their kindred and their flesh!
Crushed in their shame, they saw it all; They did not stir nor move; They did not pluck their eyes out; they Beat not their brains against the wall! Perhaps, perhaps, each watcher had it in his heart to pray: A miracle, O Lord,—and spare my skin this day! Those who survived this foulness, who from their blood awoke, Beheld their life polluted, the light of their world gone out— How did their menfolk bear it, how did they bear this yoke? They crawled forth from their holes, they fled to the house of the Lord, They offered thanks to Him, the sweet benedictory word. The Cohanim sallied forth, to the Rabbi's house they flitted: Tell me, O Rabbi, tell, is my own wife permitted? The matter ends; and nothing more. And all is as it was before.

Come, now, and I will bring thee to their lairs
The privies, jakes and pigpens where the heirs
Of Hasmoneans lay, with trembling knees,
Concealed and cowering,—the sons of the Maccabees!
The seed of saints, the scions of the lions!
Who, crammed by scores in all the sanctuaries of their shame,
So sanctified My name!
It was the flight of mice they fled,
The scurrying of roaches was their flight;
They died like dogs, and they were dead!
And on the next morn, after the terrible night

The son who was not murdered found The spurned cadaver of his father on the ground. Now wherefore cost thou weep, O son of man?

Descend into the valley; verdant, there
A garden flourishes, and in the garden
A barn, a shed,—it was their abbatoir;
There, like a host of vampires, puffed and bloated,
Besotted with blood, swilled from the scattered dead,
The tumbril wheels lie spread—
Their open spokes, like fingers stretched for murder,
Like vampire-mouths their hubs still clotted red.
Enter not now, but when the sun descends
Wrapt in bleeding clouds and girt with flame,
Then open the gate and stealthily do set
Thy foot within the ambient of horror:
Terror floating near the rafters, terror
Against the walls in darkness hiding,
Terror through the silence sliding.
Didst thou not hear beneath the heap of wheels
A stirring of crushed limbs? Broken and racked
Their bodies move a hub, a spoke
Of the circular yoke;
In death-throes they contort;
In blood disport;
And their last groaning, inarticulate
Rises above thy head,
And it would seem some speechless sorrow,

Sorrow infinite,
Is prisoned in this shed.
It is, it is the Spirit of Anguish!
Much-suffering and tribulation-tried
Which in this house of bondage binds itself.
It will not ever from its pain be pried.
Brief-weary and forespent, a dark Shekinah
Runs to each nook and cannot find its rest;
Wishes to weep, but weeping does not come;
Would roar; is dumb.
Its head beneath its wing, its wing outspread
Over the shadows of the martyr'd dead,
Its tears in dimness and in silence shed.
And thou, too, son of man, close now the gate behind thee;
Be closed in darkness now, now shine that charnel space;
So tarrying there thou wilt be one with pain and anguish
And wilt fill up with sorrow shine heart for all its days.
Then on the day of shine own desolation
A refuge will it seem,—
Lying in thee like a curse, a demon's ambush,
The haunting of an evil dream,
O, carrying it in thy heart, across the world's expanse
Thou wouldst proclaim it, speak it out,—
But thy lips shall not find its utterance.

Beyond the suburbs go, and reach the burial ground. Let no man see thy going; attain that place alone, A place of sainted graves and martyr-stone.

Stand on the fresh-turned soil.
Such silence will take hold of thee, thy heart will fail
With pain and shame, yet I
Will let no tear fall from shine eye.
Though thou wilt long to bellow like the driven ox
That bellows, and before the altar balks,
I will make hard thy heart, yea, I
Will not permit a sigh.
See, see, the slaughtered calves, so smitten and so laid;
Is there a price for their death? How shall that price be paid?

Forgive, ye shamed of the earth, yours is a pauper-Lord!
Poor was He during your life, and poorer still of late.
When to my door you come to ask for your reward,
I'll open wide: See, I am fallen from My high estate.
I grieve for you, my children. My heart is sad for you.
Your dead were vainly dead; and neither I nor you
Know why you died or wherefore, for whom, nor by what laws;
Your deaths are without reason; your lives are without cause.
What says the Shekinah? In the clouds it hides
In shame, in agony alone abides;
I, too, at night, will venture on the tombs,
Regard the dead and weigh their secret shame, But never shed a tear, I swear it in My name. For great is the anguish, great the shame on the brow;
But which of these is greater, son of man, say thou—
Or liefer keep thy silence, bear witness in My name

To the hour of My sorrow, the moment of My shame. And when thou cost return Bring thou the blot of My disgrace upon thy people's head, And from My suffering do not part, But set it like a stone within their heart!

Turn, then, to leave the cemetery ground,
And for a moment thy swift eye will pass
Upon the verdant carpet of the grass—
A lovely thing! Fragrant and moist, as it is always at the
coming of the Spring!
The stubble of death, the growth of tombstones!
Take thou a fistful fling it on the plain
Saying,
"The people is plucked grass; can plucked grass grow again?"
Turn, then, thy gaze from the dead, and I will lead
Thee from the graveyard to thy living brothers,
And thou wilt come, with those of shine own breed,
Into the synagogue, and on a day of fasting,
To hear the cry of their agony,
Their weeping everlasting.
Thy skin will grow cold, the hair on thy skin stand up,
And thou wilt be by fear and trembling tossed;
Thus groans a people which is lost.
Look in their hearts—behold a dreary waste,
Where even vengeance can revive no growth,
And yet upon their lips no mighty malediction
Rises, no blasphemous oath.

Are they not real, their bruises? Why is their prayer false? Why, in the day of their trials Approach me with pious ruses, Afflict me with denials? Regard them now, in these their woes: Ululating, lachrymose, Crying from their throes, We have sinned! and Sinned have we!— Self-flagellative with confession's whips. Their hearts, however, do not believe their lips. Is it, then, possible for shattered limbs to sin? Wherefore their cries imploring, their supplicating din? Speak to them, bid them rage! Let them against me raise the outraged hand,— Let them demand! Demand the retribution for the shamed Of all the centuries and every age! Let fists be flung like stone Against the heavens and the heavenly Throne!

And thou, too, son of man, be part of these:
Believe the pangs of their heart, believe not their litanies:
And when the cantor lifts his voice to cry:
Remember the martyrs, Lord,
Remember the cloven infants, Lord,
Consider the sucklings, Lord,
And when the pillars of the synagogue shall crack

At this his piteous word And terror shall take thee, fling thee in its deep, Then I will harden My heart; I will not let thee weep! Should then a cry escape from thee, I'll stifle it within thy throat. Let them assoil their tragedy,— Not thou,—let it remain unmourned For distant ages, times remote, But thy tear, son of man, remain unshed! Build thou about it, with thy deadly hate Thy fury and thy rage, unuttered, A wall of copper, the bronze triple plate! So in thy heart it shall remain confined A serpent in its nest—O terrible tear!— Until by thirst and hunger it shall find A breaking of its bond. Then shall it rear Its venomous head, its poisoned fangs, and wait To strike the people of thy love and hate!

Leave now this place at twilight to return
And to behold these creatures who arose
In terror at dawn, at dusk now, drowsing, worn
With weeping, broken in spirit, in darkness shut.
Their lips still move with words unspoken.
Their hearts are broken.
No lustre in the eye, no hoping in the mind,
They grope to seek support they shall not find:
Thus when the oil is gone,

The wick still sends its smoke; Thus does the beast of burden, Broken and old, still bear his yoke. Would that misfortune had left them some small solace Sustaining the soul, consoling their gray hairs ! Behold the fast is ended; the final prayers are said. But why do they tarry now, these mournful congregations? Shall it be also read, The Book of Lamentations? It is a preacher mounts the pulpit now. He opens his mouth, he stutters, stammers. Hark The empty verses from his speaking flow. And not a single mighty word is heard To kindle in the hearts a single spark. The old attend his doctrine, and they nod. The young ones hearken to his speech; they yawn. The mark of death is on their brows; their God Has utterly forsaken every one.

And thou, too, pity them not, nor touch their wound;
Within their cup no further measure pour.
Wherever thou wilt touch, a bruise is found.
Their flesh is wholly sore.
For since they have met pain with resignation
And have made peace with shame,
What shall avail thy consolation?
They are too wretched to evoke thy scorn.
They are too lost thy pity to evoke,

So let them go, then, men to sorrow born,
Mournful and slinking, crushed beneath their yoke.
Go to their homes, and to their hearth depart—
Rot in the bones, corruption in the heart.
And when thou shalt arise upon the morrow
And go upon the highway,
Thou shalt then meet these men destroyed by sorrow,
Sighing and groaning, at the doors of the wealthy
Proclaiming their sores, like so much peddler's wares,
The one his battered head, t'other limbs unhealthy,
One shows a wounded arm, and one a fracture bares.
And all have eyes that are the eyes of slaves,
Slaves flogged before their masters;
And each one begs, and each one craves:
Reward me, Master, for that my skull is broken
Reward me for my father who was martyred!
The rich ones, all compassion, for the pleas so bartered
Extend them staff and bandage, say good riddance, and
The tale is told:
The paupers are consoled.
Avaunt ye, beggars, to the charnel-house!
The bones of your fathers disinter!
Cram them within your knapsacks, bear
Them on your shoulders, and go forth
To do your business with these precious wares
At all the country fairs!
Stop on the highway, near some populous city,
And spread on your filthy rags

Those martyred bones that issue from your bags, And sing, with raucous voice, your pauper's ditty! So will you conjure up the pity of the nations, And so their sympathy implore. For you are now as you have been of yore And as you stretched your hand So will you stretch it, And as you have been wretched So are you wretched!

What is thy business here, O son of man?
Rise, to the desert fee!
The cup of affliction thither bear with thee!
Talc thou thy soul, rend it in many a shred!
With impotent rage, thy heart deform!
Thy tear upon the barren boulders shed!
And send thy bitter cry into the storm!

I would like to add:

Storm warning, but there is no fear!

45 posted on 04/01/2002 3:03:12 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: duck soup
A Kahanist movement web site

Meir Kahane was good people. His "movement", as you put it, is the dream of not having genocidal Arabs in your living room.

As it turned out, he was hated by both Nazis and leftists. He was murdered in New York. His son was murdered on the west bank. And in both instances, the leftist press commented upon the death of an extremist.

A little snip from Meir Kahane's book "Never Again". You oughtha do a little reading, DS - it might be character-building.

THE DEAFENING SILENCE

On May 13, 1939, a ship sailed out of the German city of Hamburg. On board were 930 Jews sailing from their native land, leaving behind all that they owned, turning their backs on a lifetime and a Fatherland gladly. It was the worst of times in the Third Reich as the madness of Adolph Hitler gained irrational momentum. Six years of Nazi rule had escalated into terror, concentration camps, beatings, and degradation, and nine hundred and thirty }ews were leaving the nightmare that had once been their home. They were among the last Jews who were given the opportunity to leave the land of the Aryans alive before the night of the Panzers descended upon Europe.

In all this world, of all the many ports, of all the nations that existed, only one decided to grant refuge to desperate refugees. In their pockets, the German Jews held entry visas to Cuba and in their hearts grateful thanks to the Havana government that, alone of all the countries in the world, had agreed to accept them. But Jews are, usually, too hasty in their gratitude to the nations of the world, and before they even reached Havana they were informed that the Cuban government would not allow them to enter. The visas, it was ruled, were illegal.

The ship reached Havana and docked, a figurative stone's throw from Miami Beach where other Jews played in the surf and watched the dogs race in the evenings; in the very backyard of Collins Avenue where other Jews tanned themselves and ate from the legendary Jewish menus and enjoyed the good life. How close to the American Nirvana stood the 930 and how far from salvation they really were.

The drama unfolded as millions of Americans watched. Cuba remained adamant. Under a wave of anti-Semitism that appeared in Cuban newspapers and among its politicians, Havana insisted that the visas were illegal, that she had already taken in Jews, and—the unkindest cut of them all—what about the great colossus of democracy to the north, the United States?

The question was a good one and grew more cogent as it became clear that neither Cuba nor any other country was prepared to accept the unwelcome refugees. It became pressing as the days passed and the German ship lifted anchor, setting sail for the grim mockery that was called home. Home to Hitler went the 930.

 


46 posted on 04/01/2002 3:47:24 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Yehuda
Anyone have an idea of what percentage of the religious Jews in Judea and Samaria are armed?

___________________________

I am sure not enough of the women are!

47 posted on 04/01/2002 3:54:38 AM PST by dennisw
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To: LarryLied
Why do you laugh? Does this amuse you? You post an article about antisemitism and then scoff that there could be such people. France is filled with Muslims these days, hence this rise in antisemitism.
48 posted on 04/01/2002 4:11:39 AM PST by scratchgolfer
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To: Illbay
But in fact anti-Semitic sentiment runs centuries-deep in that place

It sure does. Remember Maurice Papon? click
49 posted on 04/01/2002 4:22:26 AM PST by July 4th
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To: Twodees
If similar things start to happen in the US,

We need to take a quick hard look at our immigration policies, there's no point in having Jews here if we're going to let in the Islamics to murder them. The goal of these people is to have a whole world living under the Koran and they mean to do it by force if we don't willingly convert.

50 posted on 04/01/2002 4:55:28 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
For about 600 years, the Islamic Moors ruled Spain, where a large Jewish population had lived for centuries. They had unrivaled religious freedom.

That is, they HAD it, until the Spaniards expelled the Moors. Shortly after that, the Inquisition, with forced conversions or expulsion of Jews by the Christian Spanish.

If you want to say "yeah, but that was then; this is now, I would remind you that your charges are not against the radical Islamists but against all Islam. And that butchered English-translation quotes from the 1,400 year old Qu'ran are typically trotted out as "proof."

If you can argue for your opinion of what is happening TODAY based on what was written so long ago, then I can argue that it is nonsense using events from the 1490s.

51 posted on 04/01/2002 5:17:00 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
"...a century ago, France might well have been one of the most anti-Semitic countries in the world"

Like many countries, anti-Semitism in France has waxed and waned over the years. Napoleon was very supportive of Jews, and wherever his armies conquered, the local laws and customs were changed regarding discrimination against Jews (he was especially influential in eliminating compulsory Jewish ghettos in a variety of central european cities.)

52 posted on 04/01/2002 5:20:27 AM PST by quebecois
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To: Billy_bob_bob
The "Ukrainian Holocaust", as you put it, is one of those bits of history that we are not supposed to talk about. Anybody who even mentions it is usually accused of being "anti-semetic". I hope you are wearing your asbestos skivvies, you are going to need them.

Really?

53 posted on 04/01/2002 5:25:40 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: EternalHope; ladyjane
The French don't like anybody except the French!

You mean the French like the French?

The morally, spiritually and intellectually bankrupt FRench rationally and justifiably loath themselves.

And Psychopathological Projection Syndrome is alive and well in FRance, too.

54 posted on 04/01/2002 5:37:12 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
Right. Anti-semitism, not wine and cheese, are at the heart of French culture. That accounts partly for such weak resistance to Hitler and to widespread collaboration with the Nazis in Vichy France. Much of this anti-semitism stemmed from peasant-conservatives, though, and was stoutly resisted by the Left. Now anti-semitism and its companion violence blossoms on the Left, with left inspiration, leadership, and participation. That's a new, and scary, spin on today's echo of Nazi jackboots in France. Camus, where are you now that France needs you?
55 posted on 04/01/2002 5:39:45 AM PST by Whilom
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
Hell, many Jewish scholars still believe that before WWII started, France was the most anti-semitic country in Europe. This is probably why they were so eager to collaborate with the Nazis.
56 posted on 04/01/2002 5:46:10 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Cachelot
Some countries did accept refugee ships. Argentina for example. In HS I was an exchange student with a family in BA which had escaped. Only later did I wonder why the father and his fellow refugess sat out WWII (making tons of money) while my father and my 4 of my uncles went off to fight the Nazis and the Japanese empire.
57 posted on 04/01/2002 6:07:24 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: lavaroise; dennisw; knighthawk
An unidentified man cries in front of a destroyed Torah after a fire wrecked a synagogue in Marseille, located in southern France, Monday April 1, 2002. The fire broke out late Sunday night. It was one in a series of attacks on Jewish religious facilities in France over the weekend. No injuries were reported. (AP Photo/Claude Paris)
Seen is damaged inside the Orthodox Community of Brussels synagogue after Molotov cocktails were thrown through the window, Monday April 1, 2002 in Brussels. The Molotov cocktails caused a small fire but no injuries or major damage. Attacks against Jewish targets in Europe have increased since the escalation of violence in the Middle East. (AP Photo/Yves Logghe)
A man holds his head in his hands near charred furniture outside a synagogue after it was set ablaze overnight, April 1, 2002 in the southern city of Marseille. The arson attack on the synagogue follows other acts of anti-Simetic violence in Lyon, Strasbourg, and near Toulouse over the weekend. REUTERS/Jean-Paul Pelissier
Members of the Jewish community stand near charred religious scrolls, books, and furniture outside a synagogue after it was set ablaze overnight April 1, 2002, in the southern city of Marseille. The arson attack on the synagogue follows other acts of anti-Simetic violence in Lyon, Strasbourg, and near Toulouse over the weekend. REUTERS/Jean Paul Pelissier
A member of the Jewish community displays several holy books on April 1, 2002, damaged by a fire bomb attack on a synagogue in Brussels early the previous night. The attacks were condemned by Belgian officials and linked to rising tensions in the Middle East. REUTERS/Francois Lenoir
A police officer, right, takes photographs of the Torah after a fire destroyed a synagogue in Marseille, southern France, Monday, April 1, 2002. The fire broke out at the synagogue late Sunday night, one of a series of attacks on Jewish targets in France over the weekend. No injuries were reported. (AP Photo/Claude Paris)

58 posted on 04/01/2002 6:14:52 AM PST by Alouette
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To: LarryLied
Some countries did accept refugee ships. Argentina for example.

What ships, exactly?  Any names, nationality, anything?  And at what point in time?  As in year, month, date?

Only later did I wonder why the father and his fellow refugess sat out WWII (making tons of money) while my father and my 4 of my uncles went off to fight the Nazis and the Japanese empire.
 

Did you now??  And did you get to an answer, Mr. Lied?

59 posted on 04/01/2002 6:32:33 AM PST by Cachelot
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The father had fled Estonia and made it to one of the last ships out of France. Oddly enough, his Argentine partner had been in the Kreigsmarine, a sailor interned in Uruguay who sneaked over to BA after the Graf Spee was scuttled in Montevideo harbor. Those two sure put politics behind when they saw how much money there was to be made selling stuff to the allies.

No, I don't know what ship it was, I don't know the date, the serial number, the passanger list, how many horsepwer it was nor what color the ship was painted. Not the types of things which comes up when a person relates WWII experiences.

Aside from all that, if you didn't jump all around smearing America for not doing enough for Jews, for sending them back to Hitler, I would not bother pointing this all out. But you do so the other side should be told.

Ever consider the possibility the reason Americans were not too thrilled with the idea of the St. Louis off loading passengers here was what had occurred in the Soviet Union? Who was to know there wasn't another Trotsky on board? America was over 90% Christian at that time. Christians knew of the slaughter of Christians in the Ukraine, they knew who the executioners were. Can you blame them for wondering if that might happen here?

60 posted on 04/01/2002 6:54:19 AM PST by LarryLied
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