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To: luvzhottea; a_Turk, Illbay
luvzhottea: you shouldn't be surprised they deny the Srebrenica genocide, they deny the U.S.S. Liberty was deliberate

In my previous post not only I did not deny Srebrenica, I was suprised to learn from a_Turk that there were people who did so.

I do not accept the accusation that the attack on U.S.S. Liberty was deliberate, however. So, to which category do I belong? Once more you demonstrated that your hatred of the Jews is bigger than your brain.

You ascribe to the Jews everything negative you can possibly find. Even in you accusations you cannot think srtaight: there is a differnce between "not accept the accusation" and "deny" that the attack was deliberate, for example. There is nothing more American than this difference, this is the essence of our values, which is reflected in out legal system: the onus in on the one making the accusation, and for the society to accept the accusation there must be at least preponderance of evidence and, in this case, evedece leaving no doubt.

I am very troubled by what happened to my fellow Americans who were serving my country on the U.S.S. Liberty. Given that numerous inquiries both in Israel and here, including that by Congress, concluded that this was a tragic mistake, I conclude that there was preponderence of evidence to the contrary of your claims: the attack was a tragic mistake; most certainly and in the very least, there is no preoponderance of evidence supporting your defamatory claim.

As I said earlier, this is the principle on which our country, the "country of laws, not men," stands. It is rather ironic that, while you claim to be standing up for your country, you spit so violently on the very basic principles that are at its foundation. Is this because, contrary to you claims, you do not pursue the principles of your country, but simply entice in others the hatred for the Jews you feel and show in almost every post, no matter what the topic?

Decency is incompatible with denying a masacre of thousands of people. In particular, no decent person can deny the mass graves found in Srebrenica.

I should probably be not surprised, however, that there are less than decent people on FR who deny this fact because this suits their dishonest agenda. This is clearly a mistake: there are plenty of such people. For example, we have you, luvzhottea.

Wipe off that foam from your lips, luvzhottea: this thread was not about the Jooooooos; only for you the whole life is about them.

29 posted on 03/30/2002 6:32:45 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
the attack was a tragic mistake;...

And it kept being "a mistake" for five hours, and multiple waves of attack? Give me a ****ing break, man.

You accuse others of "ascribing to Jews every bad thing they can think of." I suggest that YOU will give Israel every conceivable break no matter WHAT they do. It is YOUR prejudice that is evident, not ours.

I am able to distinguish between JEWS--adherents of a particular religion--and ISRAEL, a secular state, a government like any other.

The attack on the Liberty wasn't made for religious purposes--"The Jews" were NOT out to get "American Christians" or whatever--but for POLITICAL purposes. The Israelis did not want the U.S. to know what they were up to--and some Israeli government officials may have even believed the U.S. was prepared to support Egypt.

So there is no reason to drag "anti-Semitism" (typically your only argument when you can't refute FACTS) into the debate.

As for the "investigations," they were bogus. LBJ--a man not known to be particularly worried about losing a few American lives for a political cause--decided that Israel would make a good hedge bet in the middle east against the growing Soviet influence among Arab states like Egypt and Syria, and so he went along with the charade.

The men who were there saw it quite differently, however.

43 posted on 03/31/2002 6:16:04 AM PST by Illbay
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