Posted on 03/29/2002 9:12:58 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
Blessed be God forever.
Also one of the two best medical references on the physical death of Our Lord is the book “A Doctor at Calvary: The Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ As Described by a Surgeon” by Pierre Barbet, this is at Amazon and other stores. The other one is “On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ” JAMA 1986;255:1455-1463. The letters to the Editor section in the next issue or two had extensive commentary (some of it of course negative). Finally, there is a VHS tape “How Jesus Died: The Final 18 Hourse” which is a discussion of the pathophysiology of His death. Couldn’t find at Amazon but it is at http://www.christiananswers.net/catalog/jesusdied-vs.html.
www.godandscience.org/apologetics/deathjesus.pdf is the link to a copy of the JAMA article. I couldn’t find the JAMA linked page via a Google search.
Beeber do you have a link for this piece of art? Or could you cite a source? Thank you.
http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/ this is an excellent compliation of sources; much of the material appears to be from the JAMA article.
I have found a link to the JAMA page for the article: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/255/11/1455.
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Dear beeber,
Thank you very much! May you and yours have a blessed Easter as well, for “Indeed, He is truly risen!”
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After reading about this and the way His heart must have been pounding, I've wondered about him developing pulmonary edema.
Heart rates exceeding cardiovascular reserve lead to the water component of the blood leaking into the lungs.
Pulmonary edema further limits your ability to breathe because your alveoli are filled with fluid.
Lance could certainly draw water and blood.
I believe it was the Chief Medical Examiner of New York—a retired man with over 10,000 autopsies to his credit—who looked over several studies and said categorically that the Christ did, indeed, die of pulmonary edema due to shock, hypovolemia, and exhaustion.
In a sense, His heart could not continue to pump due to cardiogenic shock brought on by fluid depletion. The lance of the Legionnaire who Catholics have traditionally named “Longinus” (and who later is said to have become a martyr), pierced the lower level of His lung or pleural cavity and “both blood and water” poured out in a veritable stream. In other words, the Gospel account agreed with what the M.E. felt would be the case. The estimate he gave of the volume was quite high: over 800 ccs or so.
The whole thing is somewhere on the web, but it makes total sense to me.
Jesus, I adore you!
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