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To: real saxophonist
To: real saxophonist
Wow, this guy's an idiot, and dangerous to boot. Perhaps columnists should be licensed, as spreading misinformation via newsletter is at least as dangerous to society at large as citizens owning weapons...
3 posted on
03/24/2002 9:43:38 AM PST by
motzman
To: real saxophonist
There are competing studies. And there's also, say, the well-armed citizenry of Afghanistan. Or even the well-armed citizenry of Switzerland. But he won't mention that.
4 posted on
03/24/2002 9:49:03 AM PST by
ikka
To: real saxophonist
"In 1997, 630 children under the age of 15 died from gunshot wounds in America." (Rocky Mountain News)
Meaning - as undisputable math - that far fewer than one in three U.S. counties had even one under-driving-age kid die from gunfire that year!
Bring the math up in the gun debate. Bring up the fact that "child gun death" is undisputably statistically an aberration - not a norm - in America! And drive the lesson home by asking ditzbrain sucker mom arguing otherwise when was the last time any kid on her street was shot.
Scandals of antigun politicians and activists - coast to coast
To: real saxophonist;*bang_list
Thanks for posting this.
Best regards,
To: real saxophonist
by living most of my life in cities where people in great numbers use guns to kill other people in great numbers.
Vast majority are criminals killing criminals and of a CERTAIN RACIAL makeup. Course you can't say this
7 posted on
03/24/2002 10:02:44 AM PST by
uncbob
To: real saxophonist
Borodkin admitted that she couldn't be sure if her bill would have made the difference in this case. "But," she said, "it's a statement." What's wrong with you Freepers? It's a statement. Don't you know that that is sufficient justification for any law?
To: real saxophonist
From the article: "Both sides have numbers. The NRA will point out, for example, that more kids die from poison or falls or choking than from guns. But I still don't get the point."
He doesn't get the point that he is focussed on my right to keep and bear arms instead of licensing ladders, household chemicals, and water buckets. There should be licensing, background checks, and lengthy waiting periods mandated for all who would write such drivel.
To: real saxophonist
Leftists are to American civil rights
as the A.I.D.S. virus is to health!
To: real saxophonist
It's a simple proposition really. You either believe, as I do, that fewer guns make us safer or, as Charlton Heston does, that more guns make us safer. Actually, it's whether you believe it is your right to protect yourself using the best tools available regardless of what someone else thinks will benefit society.
To: real saxophonist
It won't make the streets any safer, either. But you already knew that. Perhaps, but it will make ME safer, and endanger the life a scumbag mugger.
12 posted on
03/24/2002 10:21:16 AM PST by
Puppage
To: real saxophonist
Borodkin admitted that she couldn't be sure if her bill would have made the difference in this case. "But," she said, "it's a statement."
Oh, it's a statement of your superior moral concern, Rep. Borodkin? How sweet!
But maybe you could do that with greeting card from Hallmark, and let society as a whole protect itself according to its judgement of the various risks. Some of us might want criminals to fear the possibility that we might be armed . . .
To: real saxophonist
I want to see a study or statistics that looks at gun deaths both adult and child, on a county by county basis. Then I want to see how those counties voted or what their political makeup is.
I want to see the study that supports my preconceived opinion. That you are far far more likely to die by gunshot in a democratic or liberal county than a conservative county. I believe that 80 to 90% of gun violence occurs in liberal strongholds. The study should rule out all accidental hunting deaths.
To: real saxophonist
Because a little boy from Arvada, 3 years old, is in the hospital in critical condition...And there's a little girl in Aurora, CO who died from drinking Drano. And 3,000 dead folks from drowning in swimming pools, and 40,000 dead motorists on the nation's highways. We should never walk outside either because people who are struck by lightning. The Afghans have it right, live in a friggin cave... but with no firearms.
Nitwitt is a dope!
To: real saxophonist
The truth is, the argument is less about guns and about violence and about self-protection than it is about philosophy. The political divide is fairly obvious. In a democracy, the People hold power, including the ultimate power of Arms. In a Totalitarian state, the People do not hold power, especially the ultimate power of Arms.
"It is not about Guns, it's about Controll"
bttt
25 posted on
03/24/2002 11:51:31 AM PST by
Djarum
To: real saxophonist
"But," she said, "it's a statement." So is "Arbeit Macht Frei" on the concentration camp gate.
27 posted on
03/24/2002 12:17:38 PM PST by
gatex
To: real saxophonist
First of all, it's only about 150 (not 600+) in 1997 for gun accidents. Murder and suicide make up the bulk of child firearm deaths, and can't be stopped by gun laws (and mostly affect older kids, not the sympathetic moppets.)
And when you control for race, you find that whites have less than 2/3rds of under-15 firearms fatalities.
But if you really want the truth about "the children" in most communities, look at 1997 white gun deaths for 10 and under: 33 accidents, 96 homicides, and 3 suicides.
33 white kids of 5th grade or younger die in gun accidents per year. That's all. Increase it to 54 to include all races.
It drops down to 14 white kids and 32 all races in 1999. (whites dropped from 33 to 14, while non-whites dropped from 21 to 18 - it looks like white families are being much more responsible about gun storage, but we need to do some focused outreach. Further research should be conducted to see if these are anomolous data points.)
Source: CDC. http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html
To: real saxophonist
Because a little boy from Arvada, 3 years old, is in the hospital in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the head after handling a gun.
He starts out talking about concealed carry and then switches over to a story where a kid grabs a gun in the home. Words do not suffice.
30 posted on
03/24/2002 3:58:34 PM PST by
lelio
To: real saxophonist
The critically injured 3 year old from Arvada is a tragedy. The 2 Carpenter children murdered in California by a pitchfork wielding maniac is a state mandated tragedy since only the state's safe storage law prevented an older sister from getting to her father's gun.
Just to deal with a couple of this Clymer's lies.
It won't make the streets any safer, either
I'm sure most Freepers are familiar with the Lott Study. There would be 1410 fewer murders, 4200 fewer rapes, 60,400 fewer aggravated assaults if all states had "shall issue" laws similar to Florida's. Sounds like safer streets to me.
according to a report cited by the American Medical Association, in the first 12 states to adopt safe-storage laws the rate (of gun-related accidents) fell by 41 percent.
Again, the Lott Study. "Safe Storage" laws in (the first) 15 states will lead to a 9% increase in rapes, 11% increase in robberies, 6% increase in burglaries and 168 more murders.
Using this Clymer's 41% figure above will save 82 children under 15 (if gun related accidents and accidental gun deaths keep the same ratio.) So "safe storage" should only cost 86 additional lives.
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