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Suicide by gun climbed sharply among black male teen-agers, study says
Associated Press ^ | 3-20-02 | MARYCLAIRE DALE

Posted on 03/20/2002 1:34:26 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:39:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PHILADELPHIA (AP) --

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; blacksuicide
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NAACP + Brady = Propaganda
1 posted on 03/20/2002 1:34:26 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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Traditionally, blacks have had much lower suicide rates than whites, but the availability of guns may help account for the narrowing of the gap among young men, researchers said.

I guess if they didn’t own a gun, they wouldn’t feel suicidal.

Solid science there.

2 posted on 03/20/2002 1:38:00 PM PST by dead
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Donna Holland Barnes lost her 20-year-old son, Marc, to suicide when he drove his vehicle into a river in 1990. She later founded the National Organization of People of Color Against Suicide. "The problem with firearms is the impulsivity," said Barnes, a sociology professor at Southwest Texas State University. "Not a lot of thought goes into it."

Yeah, it takes a veritable rocket scientist to drive his car into a river.

3 posted on 03/20/2002 1:39:38 PM PST by dead
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Donna Holland Barnes lost her 20-year-old son, Marc, to suicide when he drove his vehicle into a river in 1990. She later founded the National Organization of People of Color Against Suicide. "The problem with firearms is the impulsivity," said Barnes, a sociology professor at Southwest Texas State University. "Not a lot of thought goes into it."

?????..... It sounds like her son's "impulsivity" was with a car!...

4 posted on 03/20/2002 1:41:22 PM PST by arly
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I guess that Japan has a very, very low suicide rate then. < /sarcasm >
5 posted on 03/20/2002 1:42:01 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Traditionally, blacks have had much lower suicide rates than whites, but the availability of guns may help account for the narrowing of the gap among young men, researchers said

It may, but it doesn't, unless guns were more available to blacks than to whites during this time span, which they weren't.

6 posted on 03/20/2002 1:46:25 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Isn't this "profiling"?
7 posted on 03/20/2002 1:47:00 PM PST by Lokibob
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To: dead
Traditionally, blacks have had much lower suicide rates than whites, but the availability of guns may help account for the narrowing of the gap among young men, researchers said.

How is the availability of guns any more now than it has always been before? And if they are not more available, then why the rise in suicides?

NAACP + Brady = LIES

8 posted on 03/20/2002 1:47:06 PM PST by coloradan
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bang
9 posted on 03/20/2002 1:47:23 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
At least suicide-by-gun just takes out the suicide victim. Another moderately-popular means of suicide among young males seems to be to get liquored up, get in a car, and do a deliberate high-speed head-on collision with a truck
10 posted on 03/20/2002 1:52:27 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Oldeconomybuyer, Nick Danger
I'd like to see the raw data before I accept a word of this at face value. Here's what happened when HHS Secretary Shalala, under Clinton, published a teen suicide study:

Government Uses Racial Gobbletygook to Obscure Suicide Among Boys

11 posted on 03/20/2002 1:52:37 PM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: RogueIsland
I guess that Japan has a very, very low suicide rate then. < /sarcasm >

Just in case the slower among the readers might not understand your sarcasm, I'll point out that Japan has a suicide rate many times ours despite their lack of firearms.

12 posted on 03/20/2002 1:52:46 PM PST by spqrzilla9
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To: SauronOfMordor
>At least suicide-by-gun just takes out the suicide victim.

That's true, but it's not the whole truth. In real life, suicides have a terrible effect on many people. It's not just the victim. It's his/her parents, love ones, friends. The shock and sadness and grief and anger stay with all the people who had known the victim for the rest of their lives.

Mark W.

13 posted on 03/20/2002 2:03:02 PM PST by MarkWar
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Will this come to mean if your againts gun control your a racist?
14 posted on 03/20/2002 2:04:18 PM PST by the_rightside
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"But co-author Sean Joe, an assistant professor of social work at the University of Pennsylvania, speculated that young blacks feel more pressure to succeed than older generations, who could point to segregation or other obstacles. "

The article is mostly a gun control screed aimed at the most heavily democrat constituency. The comment inferring that segregation and racism are no longer valid reasons for black angst probably got past the editor by mistake - she'll be catching hell for that.

Another blatant bit of inconsistency in the article is that "pressure to succeed" line. It was tried in the last go-round, but still failed to explain the whopping disparity between male and female suicide among blacks - the numbers for black teen girls, in the last study, was practically a statistical zero in comparisison to boys.

Something is rotten here, and it appears that it's another attempt to hide the startling suicide rates among all boys in a cloud of racism.

""The problem with firearms is the impulsivity," said Barnes, a sociology professor at Southwest Texas State University. "Not a lot of thought goes into it."

Duh! The problem with professor Barnes' statements to the press is that not a lot of thought goes into those either.

15 posted on 03/20/2002 2:06:42 PM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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Can't they just pass a law saying that suicide is against the law? That ought to stop people from killing themselves. Make suicide punishable by death. ;)
16 posted on 03/20/2002 2:07:28 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Donna Holland Barnes lost her 20-year-old son, Marc, to suicide when he drove his vehicle into a river in 1990. She later founded the National Organization of People of Color Against Suicide.

"The problem with firearms is the impulsivity," said Barnes, a sociology professor at Southwest Texas State University. "Not a lot of thought goes into it."

The problem with Ms. Barnes, is she is disconnected from logical thought. Since when is a vehicle also a gun? (The answer is when its an F-16). These two statements are contradictory. More bogus "studies" from the socialists. If one looks at the numbers there is not much statistical difference between 4% or 13%. as long as other factors are not considered. I suppose they think this is cause for more gun laws. I propose we pass a law banning the sale of firearms to blacks. That should solve the problem. Also, how about a mandatory background check for blacks before letting them buy a car?

17 posted on 03/20/2002 2:07:57 PM PST by 45Auto
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Shhh.....dont confuse her with facts, she already has her mind made up.
18 posted on 03/20/2002 2:09:46 PM PST by joesnuffy
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"Will this come to mean if your againts gun control your a racist?"

If they can get that spin, they'll take it. But I suspect this is an attempt to load the black community decisively onto the gun control bandwagon while obscuring the sex disparity in the suicide numbers. Quite a multi-spectrum bit of propaganda.

19 posted on 03/20/2002 2:10:06 PM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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While I feel sorry for the family...I dont think a suicide victim would be honored by taking away
my abililty to defend myself, my family, or my neighbors from rapists, murderers, gang members
or terrorists...
20 posted on 03/20/2002 2:15:21 PM PST by joesnuffy
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