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Microsoft 'killed Dell Linux' - States
The Register ^ | 03/19/2002 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 03/19/2002 12:28:49 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

Microsoft sharpshooter Joachim Kempin, who was convicted of illegally shooting antelope in Montana in 1998, has been turning his guns on a more familiar target: Microsoft's own OEM customers.

The States' remedy hearing opened in DC yesterday, and States attorney Steven Kuney produced a devastating memo from Kempin, then in charge of Microsoft's OEM business, written after Judge Jackson had ordered his break-up of the company. Kempin raises the possibility of threatening Dell and other PC builders which promote Linux.

"I'm thinking of hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with anti-Linux. ... they should do a delicate dance," Kempin wrote to Ballmer, in what is sure to be a memorable addition to the phrases ("knife the baby", "cut off the air supply") with which Microsoft enriched the English language in the first trial. Unlike those two, this is not contested.

The bullets aimed Spaghetti Western-style at the feet of the dancing OEMs translate to Microsoft withholding source code, according to the memo.

For these details we're indebted to eWeek's Darryl Taft, who unlike some his fellow reporters, appeared to stay for the afternoon session of the hearing. His account of the day's proceedings can be found here , and includes the delicious detail that late in the afternoon, Sun Microsystems was desperately trying to close the session, arguing that cross examination would reveal confidential information submitted under seal.

Reuters also mentions the Linux threat in passing, but compare and contrast with The New York Times, which doesn't. CNET and Wired simply carry the Reuters report.

Earlier memos described that it was "untenable" that a key Microsoft partner was promoting Linux. Kuney revealed that Dell disbanded its Linux business unit in early 2001. Dell quietly pulled Linux from its desktop PCs in the summer of 2001, IDG's Ashlee Vance discovered subsequently, six months after we heard Michael Dell declare his love of Linux on the desktop the previous winter.

Compaq was also mentioned in other memos, with Microsoft taking the line that OEMs should "meet demand but not help create demand" for Linux.

Kempin was Microsoft's chief OEM enforcer in the second half of the nineties, contributing a string of memorable memos to the 1998 Trial, and takes the credit for ensuring that the price of a Windows rose as the price of PCs were falling, during this period.

"The plaintiffs are not here to punish Microsoft - the plaintiffs' goals are to make Microsoft behave properly," argued a States' attorney. But how? Short of obliging the executives to wear antelope horns and race in front of an SUV under a hail of rifle fire, it's hard to see what language they understand.


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Microsoft's motto: 'Do it our way and nobody gets hurt.'
1 posted on 03/19/2002 12:28:49 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
Heh, 'knife the baby' bump.
2 posted on 03/19/2002 12:48:44 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Mike Fieschko
My understanding is that Dell yanked Linux because they (Dell) were unable to provide support, and were deluged with calls from customers demading support.

It seems that would be easy enough to prove or disprove.

3 posted on 03/19/2002 12:50:06 PM PST by kylaka
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To: Mike Fieschko
I can't imagine how Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler get away with forcing dealers to only carry their new cars. Even when they do let a company have both GM and Ford Products they have to sell them from separate buildings.

Why is it legal for car makers to only allow dealers to sell their car and not other brands, and illegal for Microsoft to do the same thing.

Why can't I buy a Pepsi at McDonalds? McDonalds only has COKE products. The reason is Coke makes McDonalds a better deal if they don't carry Pepsi. That is the same pressure that Microsoft puts on Dell. Why is it legal for Coke to pressure McDonalds to only sell Code and illegal for Gates to pressure Dell to only sell Windows.

Why is it Legal for CBS to demand that their stations onl carry CBS. No CBS stations have NBC or ABC, or FOX. Why is it legal for CBS to demand that their affiliated stations to only carry CBS and not Legal for Gates to require his dealers to only carry windows?

Why can't I get a Big MAC at Wendys? Why can't I get a Wendys Classic at Mcdonalds. Most of these stores are not company owned. Why can McDonalds require that to be a McDonalds dealer I can only sell McDonalds sandwiches.

Why can't I buy Kentucky Fried Chicken at Churches? Why are exclusive dealerships only illegal for GATES.

,What percentage of the Big Mac business does McDonalds have? Do they have a monopoly on Big Macs?

I will believe the attacks on Microsoft are not political payoffs to Oracle and Sun, when they take on Coke,GM, F0RD, CBS McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken.

4 posted on 03/19/2002 1:00:52 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: kylaka
My understanding is that Dell yanked Linux The number of buyers was very small. It took too long to sell an inventory of Linux based computers.

Most people who use Linus, put their own P.C's together.

The vast marjority of PC's runing Linux are servers. About 27 million of them. People with servers tend to do their own operating system installs. There are way to many options for their to be any money saved by mass installation of server software.

5 posted on 03/19/2002 1:04:05 PM PST by Common Tator
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"I will believe the attacks on Microsoft are not political payoffs to Oracle and Sun, when they take on Coke,GM, F0RD, CBS McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken."

The difference being of course MS is a monopoly, the companies you cite are not. One excludes competition the others do not. A better comparison with MS would be Standard Oil making OEM agreements with auto manufacturers to produce cars which only run on Standard's fuels. Of course as as monopolies go there is no comparision with MS.

6 posted on 03/19/2002 1:14:01 PM PST by Justa
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To: Common Tator
Why can't I buy a Pepsi at McDonalds? McDonalds only has COKE products. The reason is Coke makes McDonalds a better deal if they don't carry Pepsi. That is the same pressure that Microsoft puts on Dell. Why is it legal for Coke to pressure McDonalds to only sell Code and illegal for Gates to pressure Dell to only sell Windows.

You're talking apples and oranges.

If I went to get a Big Mac and was told I have to pay for a Coke ...

'But I don't want a Coke' ...

'You have to pay for it anyway: McDonalds has to pay Coke a fee for each Big Mac we sell, whether or not customers want one'

'And by the way, Burger King, Wendy's, White Castle, etc. etc, Coke makes them charge also.'
7 posted on 03/19/2002 1:15:31 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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I can't imagine how Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler get away with forcing dealers to only carry their new cars.

Not an analogous situation. Dell Computer is not a Microsoft franchisee, although M$ might like to think of them that way.

A better analogy. Suppose you're Chrysler. You sell all your cars with Goodyear tires. Goodyear gives you a nice deal because you buy from them in volume. One day, you find out that some of your customers would like their new Chryslers shipped with Michelins installed. As soon as Goodyear finds out about this, they start threatening you. Maybe, they say, your volume discount will suddenly disappear, although you're still shipping far more Goodyear tires than other car companies that get the volume discount. Or maybe, Goodyear will just quietly insist that you not go out of your way to let customers know they can have Michelins instead of Goodyears on their new cars. Oh, and, did we mention that Ford will get all of Goodyear's new tire lines several weeks ahead of Chrysler? But, of course, all the troubles would be forgotten if Chrysler would just see fit to pay Goodyear for a full set of Goodyear tires even for cars that leave the plant wearing Michelins.

Sounds a lot like extortion to me.

Of course, there are 8 or 10 solid, competitive tire companies out there, so Goodyear could never get away with this. But as for PC operating systems ...

8 posted on 03/19/2002 1:18:31 PM PST by Campion
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To: Mike Fieschko
Oh goody...yet another secret internal memo pops up in yet another trial against yet another corporation. Those who continually eternally for ever and ever attack Microsoft won't be in their nirvana until their pet "superior" software "captures" (with mucho help from the liberal courts) 99.99999% of the market.
9 posted on 03/19/2002 1:19:34 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup>
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Those who continually eternally for ever and ever attack Microsoft won't be in their nirvana until their pet "superior" software "captures" (with mucho help from the liberal courts) 99.99999% of the market.

Psycho-analyzing me?

Sounds as if yoou're 'projecting' your own feelings on others.
10 posted on 03/19/2002 1:27:16 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
What exactly does this guy illegally shooting antelope have to do with the story?
11 posted on 03/19/2002 1:30:31 PM PST by Lost Highway
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To: Mike Fieschko
Everyone seems to have missed the wonderful closing sentences of this piece:

"The plaintiffs are not here to punish Microsoft - the plaintiffs' goals are to make Microsoft behave properly," argued a States' attorney. But how? Short of obliging the executives to wear antelope horns and race in front of an SUV under a hail of rifle fire, it's hard to see what language they understand.

12 posted on 03/19/2002 1:31:18 PM PST by Doug Loss
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To: Lost Highway
About the same as Monica had to do with Paula the boxer.
13 posted on 03/19/2002 1:37:02 PM PST by Tickle Me Pank
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To: Doug Loss
If I were in charge of Microsoft, I'd simply go in and license check the states in question. Bet y'all I'd probably find a few hundred million in pirated licenses, based on my experience with government agencies.

I'd also simply announce that, in the interest of getting out of legal trouble in the states suing Microsoft, that no further Microsoft products would be sold in those states, and that all help desk support would cease immediately (with pro rata refunds as required).

14 posted on 03/19/2002 1:37:08 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Lost Highway
What exactly does this guy illegally shooting antelope have to do with the story?

The Register's style tends to include 'British' humor.

The story about illegally shooting antelopes is here.
15 posted on 03/19/2002 1:38:25 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Poohbah
that all help desk support would cease immediately (with pro rata refunds as required).

Based on my experience with M$ "help desk support," I think they should offer this deal to all of their customers.

16 posted on 03/19/2002 1:48:40 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
Fine. You don't have to buy anything from MicroSquish if that makes your naughty parts tingle.
17 posted on 03/19/2002 1:51:49 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Justa
The difference being of course MS is a monopoly, the companies you cite are not. One excludes competition the others do not. A better comparison with MS would be Standard Oil making OEM agreements with auto manufacturers to produce cars which only run on Standard's fuels. Of course as as monopolies go there is no comparision with MS.

How is Microsoft a monopoly? You can run any OS you want on a PC. Linux, Solaris for Intel, FreeBSD, NetBSD, BeOS, etc. You can run tens of thousands of non-MS applicaitons on their OS. Adobe, Lotus Notes, Eudora and on and on. No one has ever claimed MS has tried to force PC makers to build their computers to NOT RUN these other vendors products, which would be easily done should they have wanted to.

I do not see that MS is a monoply. FYI: I have competed with MS for almost 20 years at a variety of companies.

19 posted on 03/19/2002 6:13:33 PM PST by Jack Black
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Fine. You don't have to buy anything from MicroSquish if that makes your naughty parts tingle.

Exactly. Same applies to the PC makers. No one has a gun to their heads. Heck, if they were smart, they'd ally themselves and tell Microsoft to piss off with the threats. Care to imagine what the impact would be if Dell, Gateway, HP and Compaq all stopped including Windows for free, and instead put on RedHat, making Windows a 400 dollar option? But I doubt it would ever happen, because they need to cater to their customers.

20 posted on 03/19/2002 6:18:25 PM PST by zandtar
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