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The Undocumented Immigrant: Heroes or criminals?
Univision Online ^ | March 19, 2002 | Jorge Ramos Avalos

Posted on 03/19/2002 10:49:48 AM PST by FreedomSurge

The Undocumented Immigrant: Heroes or criminals?

HARLINGEN, Texas - Whoever thought that the terrorist acts of the 11th of September 2001 was going to stop, at one blow, the immigration of the undocumented to the United States are very mistaken. Thousands daily try to cross the deserts of Arizona and California or swim the Rio Bravo (or Rio Grande, as they say here in the United States).

Thousands every day

How many are stopped and how many manage to cross? In January and February of this year the North American Border Patrol arrested little more than 73 thousand people. And although this is a reduction of the 52 percent with respect to the previous year, unofficial calculations indicate that every day thousands of the undocumented manage to circumvent the monitoring along the border or remain in the United States after their tourist, student or of businesses visas expire. Thousands every day.

There is not the smallest doubt that these immigrants contribute enormously to North American economy -10 billion dollars a year, according to the Academy of Sciences of United States and to the immigrants’ countries of origin.

For example, the Mexicans who live in this country send more than 8 billion dollars annually in remittances to families in Mexico; this is the third foreign currency source for the country after the tourism and petroleum.

The undocumented immigrants in the United States - 8 million, according to the National Office of the Census- pay taxes, keep inflation under control, are a cheap source of manual labor for agriculture and the service sector, and sustain economically a population that is aging very fast.¨.

In other words, the immigrants are a magnificent business for the United States and Latin America. But what is bothersome is that many North Americans continue considering them criminals.

Good people and Good workers - Tom Ridge

Recently I had the opportunity to interview the director of National Security of the United States, Tom Ridge, and he said to me that " technically it is possible to define the undocumented as criminals." After saying that to me - seeking to prevent a counterattack by the Mexican side - added that although these immigrants had broken the law most of them are "good people and good workers."

The interesting part of this subject is that immigrants who are thought of as criminals by Tom Ridge are considered heroes by the president of Mexico, Vicente Fox. When I told the Mexican foreign minister, Jorge Castañeda, Ridge’s comments, Casteneda said that the real law breakers are the American companies that use the undocumented labor..

Since 1986 it is a crime to hire foreigners without papers, he told me. And nevertheless, tens of thousands of business owners hire Mexicans or Central Americans without documents all the time.

After 11th of September, anti-immigrant feelings have increased in the United States. Because the 19 terrorists who killed almost three thousand people were foreign, many North Americans believe uncritically that all undocumented are criminals or potential terrorists

Thus, they are prevented from obtaining drivers licenses in all 50 states and there are frequent claims of mistreatment and unjustified arrests.

But they keep on coming. Near the center of Reynosa, Tamaulipas, a coyote or pollero named Abraham offered to take me over the Rio Bravo in exchange for 200 dollars. He never found out that he was speaking with a reporter.

The problem is that every year nearly 350 immigrants drown or die of dehydration; only a few days ago a boy of 16 years named Fabían Gonzalez watched as his father, Miguel, died after spending three days without water in the desert of Arizona. The coyote that was guiding them left them to their own luck and they were lost in a desert boiling at night and frozen by day.

“the Hulk " and green cards

Those who manage to cross have a network of counterfeiters who assist them find a job.

In the production of this article, a Mexican youth nicknamed the Hulk was captured on hidden camera, trying to sell me a social security card and a green card for 90 dollars.

The surprising thing is that this happened on Roosevelt Street in the Queens, New York, only a few minutes from where the World Trade Center towers fell.

In other words, the terrorist acts have done very little to dissuade the Latin Americans to come illegally to the United States. Although the North American government does not want it to acknowledge it, it continues to be relatively easy to cross the border and to obtain false documents within the country.

If you don’t think this is the case, ask the coyote that I knew in Reynosa or the counterfeiter who I met in New York. As long as there are unemployed millions in Mexico (and in the rest of Latin America) or people earning five dollars a day and work for them in the United States where they can earn that same amount in one hour, they will continue arriving undocumented. Nothing - neither the national guard, nor higher barriers, nor stricter laws, nor greater monitoring, nor the worst terrorist act in the history of United States will be able to stop to the thousands that every year look for a better life in the north


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The translation is mine.

Univision will air a show tonight called "The American Dream - Tested"

1 posted on 03/19/2002 10:49:48 AM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: Sabertooth
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2 posted on 03/19/2002 10:53:25 AM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: FreedomSurge
Jorge Ramos from Univision has been on numerous talk shows spewing this rhetoric. Follow the money here – the more Mexicans in the US who cannot speak English, the more viewers to his network.
3 posted on 03/19/2002 10:59:37 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: FreedomSurge
what is bothersome is that many North Americans continue considering them criminals.

Bothersome indeed, let’s remember that these people are only criminals in the sense that they’ve broken a law.

" technically it is possible to define the undocumented as criminals."

Bravo to you Tom Ridge! Why should we expect you to uphold the laws of our country and secure our borders? No, not when political correctness states that we should not criticize the dusky hued.

I can’t help but see two problems here with a mutual solution: We have several million jobs for unskilled workers that must be filled, we also have several million people who’s “careers” consist of watching 18 hours a day of television, having children by the bushel-full, and collecting welfare. The only obstacles to placing the career welfare recipients in a job cleaning grease-traps at a taco stand or picking tomatoes in a field is that they’re lazy and need to be relocated.

Cut off the welfare and those two obstacles will take care of themselves.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

5 posted on 03/19/2002 11:08:31 AM PST by End Times Sentinel
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To: gubamyster
An American owns Univision, I believe.
6 posted on 03/19/2002 11:09:23 AM PST by PRND21
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To: FreedomSurge;healey22;lutine;Right_Makes_Might;wku man;sonofliberty2;sweetliberty;kattracks...
The Undocumented Immigrant: Heroes or criminals?

They are not "undocumented immigrants". They are illegal aliens. All of them are criminals by definition. Jorge Ramos ought to be deported.

7 posted on 03/19/2002 11:09:50 AM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: FreedomSurge
Perhaps there are other people with not such good intentions who are also using the open border so convenient to the Mexicans?
8 posted on 03/19/2002 11:11:44 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: PRND21
Tom Ridge and Leon Pinheada are the B team doing a job where failure could mean the loss of a city. They need someone in there with a Marine orientation who can take the heat and instill a sense of mission.
9 posted on 03/19/2002 11:13:28 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: FreedomSurge
I get so sick of hearing the mainstream media idiots spewing these little anecdotal stories about these "heroes" just looking for a better life. I agree there are many illegals looking to do just that but why are we re-engineering our society to accommodate them? What about the welfare queens scamming the system, the violent drug lords poisoning youth coast to coast, the theft rings, the untold billions being taken from our children's future and given to these people?

The arrogance of this Mexican cabal like fox and castenada is superseded only by the cowardice of Bush, Congress and the INS.

10 posted on 03/19/2002 11:16:08 AM PST by american spirit
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To: Owl_Eagle
>what is bothersome is that many North Americans continue considering them criminals.

Isnt that odd because in a similar situation Mexico considers people like this criminals as well. Central americans come to Mexico from its southern border and Mexico is trying to stop its own flow of 'undocumented immigrants.'

11 posted on 03/19/2002 11:16:15 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: FreedomSurge
"Tom Ridge, and he said to me that " technically it is possible to define the undocumented as criminals." After saying that to me - seeking to prevent a counterattack by the Mexican side - added that although these immigrants had broken the law most of them are "good people and good workers.""

I don't give a flying flip how "good workers" they are--ILLEGAL ALIENS are CRIMINALS--stealing directly from American citizens and LEGAL immigrants by taking away jobs, and indirectly by sucking up tax money to provide "welfare" goods and services (such as hospital emergency care).

12 posted on 03/19/2002 11:17:44 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: FreedomSurge
Those who manage to cross have a network of counterfeiters who assist them find a job.

But they are such nice, hard-working counterfeiters. As long as they mean well, should counterfeiting really be considered a crime?

13 posted on 03/19/2002 11:18:15 AM PST by Dakmar
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To: FreedomSurge
There is not the smallest doubt that these immigrants contribute enormously to North American economy -10 billion dollars a year, according to the Academy of Sciences of United States and to the immigrants’ countries of origin.

Of course, there is nothing self-serving about that statement.
It is meant to convey the notion that all these ignorant immigrants are doing us a favor.
Of course, rational people appreciate favors.

In this case however, in order to make things crystal clear, let me respond by saying...
The thought is appreciated, and surely we know that you are doing it for our benefitn but.

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' FAVORS!

15 posted on 03/19/2002 11:19:51 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: FreedomSurge
The undocumented immigrants in the United States - 8 million, according to the National Office of the Census- pay taxes, keep inflation under control, are a cheap source of manual labor for agriculture and the service sector, and sustain economically a population that is aging very fast.¨.

But, it's against the law to hire anyone without 2 forms of identification....so these illegals get paid "off the books" and under the table--so, no, they don't pay taxes, except sales taxes maybe. Yes, they are a cheap source of labor...because they can work "off the books" and thus be paid lower than prevailing wage. So, not only are the illegals lawbreakers, but certain employers are as well.
16 posted on 03/19/2002 11:20:44 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Tancredo Fan
Jorge Ramos ought to be deported.

For expressing his free speech?
You're worse than I thought.

Tancredo suffers from your lack of credible support.

17 posted on 03/19/2002 11:26:31 AM PST by PRND21
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To: FreedomSurge
Jorge Ramos should check out the Center for Immigration Studies where he would find:

Tired & Poor: The Bankrupt Arguments for Mass, Unskilled Immigration by Steven A. Camarota, National Review, September 3, 2001 which has the following interesting statistic:

"We at the Center for Immigration Studies estimate that the average Mexican immigrant will use $55,200 more in public services during his lifetime than he pays in taxes."

OR the following study:

The Impact of New Americans: A Review and Analysis of the National Research Council's The New Americans: Economic, Demographic, and Fiscal Effects of Immigrationby Steven A. Camarota and Leon Bouvier Center for Immigration Studies Report, December1999, which has, among others, the following interesting facts:

"In California and New Jersey, the average immigrant-headed household currently uses $3,463 and $1,484 more, respectively, in services provided by state and local government than it pays in taxes. This translates into an added tax burden of $1,178 imposed on each native household in California and $232 in New Jersey (Table 3 on page 7)" AND

"Immigration was responsible for 44 percent of the decline in relative wages (com- pared to other workers) for high school dropouts from 1980 to 1994."

OR the following study:

Immigration from Mexico - Study Examines Costs and Benefits for the United States which notes the following:

"....reduction in wages for the unskilled has likely reduced prices for consumers by only an estimated .08 to .2 percent in the 1990s. The impact is so small because unskilled labor accounts for only a tiny fraction of total economic output."

Ramos goes on the talk show circuit and puts out all his disinformation without any challenges. I am really tired of all his claims. Give me back my tax money that goes to illegals & I'll pay the extra nickle for my carrots.

18 posted on 03/19/2002 11:26:35 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: FreedomSurge
Can't help thinking that this problem wouldn't exist (or would be a lot less annoying) if we didn't have government in the wealth-redistribution business. Then, there wouldn't be income taxes for the illegals to avoid, nor welfare payments for them to take.
19 posted on 03/19/2002 11:26:49 AM PST by babyface00
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BTTT
20 posted on 03/19/2002 11:39:01 AM PST by Razz Barry
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