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Self-defense: A Firearm Or Car Keys? What Would You Recommend?
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Posted on 03/19/2002 10:43:29 AM PST by Sir Gawain

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Self-defense: A Firearm Or Car Keys?
What Would You Recommend?


Which of these scenarios are true?

A U.S. Army or Marine Corps infantry company commander stands in front of his men and recommends that they no longer use M-16 rifles or other small arms in combat situations because their weapons can be taken away by the enemy and used against them.  Instead, he recommends using car keys, which can be effective in close quarters combat when properly trained.  True or False? 

A Chief of Police of a major west coast city announces to patrol officers that all handguns and cans of pepper spray will be turned in prior to starting their shift.  He feels, as did the infantry company commander, that they can be turned against his officers by an assailant.  He also recommends using car keys as an effective tool to subdue criminals.  True or False? 

A Chief of Police for a major southwestern city announces to a group of civilian women engaged in self-defense training, that using a firearm or pepper spray for self-defense was not recommended because an assailant can take them away and use it against them only worsening the situation.  Instead, the chief recommended using a set of keys, among other tactics, as an effective tool to defend themselves.  True or False?

If you discerned the first two scenarios are false and grounds for removing the infantry company commander and police chief from their positions simply because they are nuts, you are correct.  Astonishingly enough, the last scenario is true. 

When it comes to government officials recommending means of self-defense to civilians, as of late, their statements are illogical and flat out stupid.  No one in their right mind who has familiarity with firearms or non-lethal defense tools can, with a straight face, believe that car keys are a better self-defense tool than a firearm.  It defies human nature.

For proof, let's look at another scenario:  One of the women who attended the self-defense training class is asleep late at night and is awakened to the sound of breaking glass.  As she quickly slips on her robe and moves down the hallway, she peeks around the corner into the living room and sees a man entering her house through a broken window.  She runs back to her bedroom and opens up the night stand drawer door.  She has a choice of a revolver or a set of car keys.  Decisions, decisions!  Would she naturally grab the car keys and leave the revolver behind?  Of course not.  That would be utterly ridiculous considering the circumstances.  Why then, when a normally prudent and sane person is confronted with a dangerous situation, and possibly in a state of fear of being attacked or killed, do they automatically grab the most lethal means to defend themselves?  It's called human nature.  Human nature dictates that the victim will take whatever means necessary, by utilizing the most forceful defense available to them, to prevent harm to themselves or preserve their life.

Yet, there are women in a major southwestern city taught to believe, based on "expert" advice from a senior law enforcement official, that using car keys can be one of the most effective and safest tool available to them when confronted by an assailant, more so than a firearm or pepper spray.  A firearm or pepper spray would only aid the assailant and be detrimental to the victim in the eyes of this person.  Some of the students, in their hearts, cannot possibly believe such a statement because it defies logic.  Unfortunately, some do because they blindly believe anything a government official tells them.

Many of us would not sleep well at night if one of the members of a self-defense class met serious injury or death at the hands of a rapist, but fought valiantly with a set of car keys because that's the advice we gave them. 

As citizens we should speak out against such statements simply because they defy commonsense.  Officials who make such statements should be publicly ridiculed because what they say places their own constituency in danger. 

Imagine the outcry if police officers were told they would no longer be armed.  Imagine the chief of police declaring they personally would no longer carry a firearm because they pose a danger to themselves and the community.  What would people think?  That question requires no answer because the scenarios are without logic.  Yet, when civilians are repeatedly bombarded with statements that they are a danger to themselves, it is accepted as some form of gospel truth.   Civilians are perceived by some government bureaucrats and politicians as incompetent bumbling fools unable to make a correct decision when it comes to defending their lives or the lives of loved ones. 

We would submit that a civilian is in a far better position to make a correct decision because, by definition, civilians know who the victim is.  It is us!  It is understood who is the assailant and who is the victim.  In police work, discerning who-is-who can sometimes be difficult upon arrival at a crime scene.  So, most police officers, and rightly so, assume they are in danger until they determine the level of danger that may still exist and who poses that threat.  That is why some senior law enforcement officials make such statements.  They are tainted by their years of experience on the streets as law enforcement officers.  But that is not the case for civilians involved in one-on-one crimes.  It is us, the law-abiding citizen, being accosted by a robber, rapist or burglar.  It requires no special intellect to figure out that the man entering the broken window into our home is a danger to us.  It doesn't require weeks of self-defense training or months at a police academy to understand what is going on.  And, it certainly doesn't warrant being left virtually defenseless using car keys as was recommended by a Texas city police department described in the story earlier.

Society must stop assuming that in order to survive a criminal act perpetrated upon a victim, that the victim play the game of victim-hood and hope for the best.  If it is clear the assailant is intent on killing the victim, does the victim have an obligation to a create a "safer society" by dying for the cause?  Armed citizens create a safer society.  And, if that means an assailant is apprehended, or killed in the process of a law-abiding citizen defending themself from serious injury or death, society wins.  When we allow victim-hood to permeate our society, the criminals win by working their trade with impunity.

Self Defense Armory



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1 posted on 03/19/2002 10:43:29 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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2 posted on 03/19/2002 10:44:21 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Keys...shaped like a 357 Magnum loaded with hollow points!
3 posted on 03/19/2002 10:48:32 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Sir Gawain
""Armed citizens create a safer society. And, if that means an assailant is apprehended, or killed in the process of a law-abiding citizen defending themself from serious injury or death, society wins. </I?"

Bump!

4 posted on 03/19/2002 10:48:33 AM PST by 4CJ
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To: Sir Gawain
Albeit not the keys per se but I'll take the ballistics of a 3000 pound Buick doing 60 anyday over a 45 ACP slug.........

But then I don't drive the old buick without the 1911 stuffed cavalry style in the waistband either.....and if they make that against the law then I am a criminal at that point.

Socialist Elitist be damned ........Stay Safe !

5 posted on 03/19/2002 10:53:40 AM PST by Squantos
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Few things match persuasive power of a couple of 125gr JHP's
6 posted on 03/19/2002 10:55:38 AM PST by Don Carlos
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To: Sir Gawain
A Firearm Or Car Keys? What Would You Recommend?

IMHO, the only self defense tool more effective than a firearm is....TWO FIREARMS!

7 posted on 03/19/2002 10:58:18 AM PST by Still Thinking
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To: Sir Gawain
One idiotic thing about this article is that it never names the city or the police official who suggested keys over real weapons.

Not naming names makes the claim suspect to me. If someone actually said it and you have a verifiable source, why not point out the official - who clearly needs to be removed.

8 posted on 03/19/2002 11:01:59 AM PST by Mike K
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To: Sir Gawain
A Chief of Police for a major southwestern city announces to a group of civilian women engaged in self-defense training, that using a firearm or pepper spray for self-defense was not recommended because an assailant can take them away and use it against them only worsening the situation. Instead, the chief recommended using a set of keys, among other tactics, as an effective tool to defend themselves.

Evil, stupidity, or both is the only way to describe this. A woman with car keys is an absolute joke for all but the most ruthless women and timid men.

For the average woman and the average criminal, car keys aren't much better than permission.

9 posted on 03/19/2002 11:03:40 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: AnnaZ,Mercuria
bttt
10 posted on 03/19/2002 11:04:31 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Sir Gawain
Commitment. It does not matter what you are armed with, if you don't have commitment.

Car keys won't help, if you first don't decide that you will use them. Ditto for the revolver.

The reason that someone takes a gun away is that you have to decide whether or not to shoot during the attack. Decide in advance - if attacked I will shoot to kill. Dead men don't sue.

11 posted on 03/19/2002 11:05:22 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: Sir Gawain
Never bring car keys to a gunfight.
12 posted on 03/19/2002 11:05:42 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: Squantos
3000 pound Buick doing 60 anyday over a 45 ACP slug

last year I posted an anecdote involving my girlfriend, an attempted carjacking, and the KE of a pontiac. Real good knockdown power.

What's most interesting is that she did it in cold blood- she'd scraped the guy off by putting it in reverse- saw him start to get to his knees, and put it in "D" for "Don't think so." Ran him down like a dog.

This is one texas gal that won't freeze on the trigger...

13 posted on 03/19/2002 11:06:51 AM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: Redcloak
Never bring car keys to a gunfight.

Actually, it might not be a bad idea, if it allows you to leave before the other gunfighter shows up!

14 posted on 03/19/2002 11:07:49 AM PST by Still Thinking
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To: Sir Gawain
My wife believed in this sort of nonsense, until a former employer (now stalker, with restraining order, court case, etc.) came in the picture...

She used to roll her eyes when I said "better to be tried by 12, then carried by 6."

She doesn't anymore...

FReegards,

15 posted on 03/19/2002 11:08:00 AM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: Sir Gawain
Yeah, and the hypocricy is that the cop probably said that while wearing a gun on his hip.

$%&&*((*&^%hole

17 posted on 03/19/2002 11:11:16 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: Sir Gawain
Actually the assailant could just as easily turn the keys against the victim as well.

The preferred method for liberals against thugs, assailants and agressors is to negotiate, beg, plead, bribe and threaten sanctions, as they do on the international stage. Look at the safe and peaceful world they have created for us.

18 posted on 03/19/2002 11:11:51 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: Sir Gawain
Every time I see one of these home defense posts I laugh wondering how many people have actually shot and killed a person at point blank range and given the situation how many would have the courage to do so? Probably very few. And taking that into consideration I suggest purchasing a guard dog for home defense and personal protection. Signed, Marine Corps combat veteran and Expert Marksman.
19 posted on 03/19/2002 11:13:46 AM PST by kellynla
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To: Still Thinking
Actually, it might not be a bad idea, if it allows you to leave before the other gunfighter shows up!

That's certainly a valid use for car keys in such a situation; however, I don't think that that's quite the use the pro-rape LEO had in mind when he suggested them over firearms.

20 posted on 03/19/2002 11:14:30 AM PST by Redcloak
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