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Shifting sands of blame -- was Russell Yates really responsible?
United Press International ^ | March 18, 2002 | Peter Roff

Posted on 03/19/2002 6:23:19 AM PST by PDR

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1 posted on 03/19/2002 6:23:19 AM PST by PDR
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the guy's a fruit loop, but he didn't murder anyone. andrea yates filled atub and systematically drowned her 5 kids. he may be a lousy father and have screwed up beliefs, but he is not a murderer. andrea yates and the sympathy from feminists is warped.
2 posted on 03/19/2002 6:28:04 AM PST by robjna
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To: robjna
A rat is a dog is a pig is a feminist.

(with profound apologies to rats, dogs and pigs...)

3 posted on 03/19/2002 6:33:37 AM PST by martin gibson
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To: PDR
I'm just curious about something. We have in this country, doctors, whose job it is to make sure babies are not born alive. They are legally santioned to kill. Some doctors have been known to stick freshly born infants in a bucket of water to drown them. And then we have this crazy mother who drowns her five children and somehow what she did is more grievous than a doctor who drowns a baby who had the utter audacity to not die during the abortion? I guess I can understand now why the NOW gang is rooting for Andrea. The only difference is that the doctors who perform abortions are not insane.
4 posted on 03/19/2002 6:34:58 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: robjna
Now if the guy would recover from John McCain disease, and get off the television--NOW!
5 posted on 03/19/2002 6:35:39 AM PST by Galtoid
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To: PDR
One doesn't have to go to DU to see the spin... some of what this author predicts can be found right here on FR.
6 posted on 03/19/2002 6:35:52 AM PST by skeeter
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From the beginning, Mr. Yates has seemed to me to be very calm and passive, even after his wife murdered his five children.

Either he has the forgiveness of saint or he is totally out of touch with reality.

Seeing how he reacted to the murders, calmly and passively, I have to wonder how serious and with how much effort he sought to help his wife or take her seriously.

I know he said he sought help and it seems he did but how serious did he consider he problem?

Speaking psychologically, Andre Yates seems to me to have killed the children because it was the only way she could get through to her husband. Even then, he didn't react. He was just as passive.

I'm not Mr.Yates so I don't know his life experience, but he seems to me to be incredibly passive, even to horrific events. I'm not sure he was capable of taking his wifes illness seriously.

7 posted on 03/19/2002 6:37:46 AM PST by wwcc
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Only Russell and Andrea Yates know if he was responsible, but I must say, he is pretty obnoxious. I saw him on the Larry King show for a brief moment last night and he must have said "you know" and "I mean" 50 times each within 5 seconds.
8 posted on 03/19/2002 6:46:13 AM PST by MotherSpector
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My husband says "you know" quite frequently, I wouldn't consider that a character flaw.
9 posted on 03/19/2002 6:55:36 AM PST by alisasny
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I must admit that I am shocked by the blame from all over thrust upon Rusty. He is not a killer. He is a clod, so that must be his crime, being the stereotypical male.

I have tried to defend Rusty to no avail. People want him castrated and forbidden from having more children. The way he describes his children shows the love he had for them and his comment that he didn't know he had to protect his children from within his home speaks volumns. No one could have predicted what Ms. Yates did and alot of Monday morning quarterbacking is going on in this case.

Since Rusty was under a gag order since a few days after the children's deaths up until last week I can't blame him one bit for speaking out after all the speculation made about him and against him.

In addition I would have found the Death Penalty very humane in this case. I have no idea why everyone wants her to live and suffer over a quick death on the gurney yet wants Rusty put out and hung to dry.

10 posted on 03/19/2002 7:00:44 AM PST by alisasny
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Yes, but he continually preached that his wife was insane - yet he entrusted the care of his children to her..... Wouldn't that make him negligent?
11 posted on 03/19/2002 7:04:26 AM PST by TheBattman
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And one more thing:

When I mentioned to someone that Rusty works for NASA the reply was, " No wonder Nasa keeps messing up things."

In addition it has been reported that his NASA healthcare plan was maxed on Andrea's coverage of her mental condition. If that is true then I have no problem with the responsible HMO's being sued. This means this can happen again to someone else who has no more coverage left to deal with pychosis.

By making everything coverable including viagra, sex changes ect...no wonder there was no money left to treat her properly.

12 posted on 03/19/2002 7:06:13 AM PST by alisasny
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Well Andrea is getting what she deserves. The husband is scum also. He knew she had a problem, continued to have more children, then ignored the warning signed and had her home schooling the kids.

He was criminally neglegent in the death of his kids. THis however doesn't lessen her guilt one iota. He had an obligation to protect his wife and kids, he blew it big time.

13 posted on 03/19/2002 7:10:49 AM PST by Leto
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To: skeeter
One doesn't have to go to DU to see the spin... some of what this author predicts can be found right here on FR.

Yep! sure can. And it has gone beyond prediction. More like a prophecy fullfilled. People can't stand to think of a mother doing such a thing so it has to be the mans fault.

Everyone is an expert about what happened. I turned off Bill O'Reilly last night because he was hysterical. I love listening to talk radio but have turned it off because of the same reason.

14 posted on 03/19/2002 7:14:05 AM PST by Texas Mom
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First, I am as strong a death penalty advocate as there is anywhere. But as much as this whole thing disgusts me, I think life is fair. Let her think about what she has done for the next 40 years. Oddly, my wife is against the death penalty, and wanted her to fry.

Anyway, I think he is just as guilty. He knew what she is capable of, he left her alone with the kids. Remember when he got the call that she "did it?" He knew "it" was to kill one, and asked which one. The article above is bovine feces, except for the fact that he is also guilty.

15 posted on 03/19/2002 7:15:40 AM PST by Gamecock
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"My husband says "you know" quite frequently, I wouldn't consider that a character flaw."

It's habit. Nothing more.

Maybe he should have said " Ya see what I'm saying?" This seems to be the latest phrase which means.. "you know?" or "you know."

16 posted on 03/19/2002 7:18:18 AM PST by Texas Mom
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"Soon after that, it will be accepted conventional wisdom that Russell Yates is ultimately to blame for the choice his wife made. By extension, this will apply to all husbands.

It already does. It is straight from the pages of NOW and people are buying right into it. Especially if the man is white.

17 posted on 03/19/2002 7:20:16 AM PST by Texas Mom
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Yes, but he continually preached that his wife was insane - yet he entrusted the care of his children to her..... Wouldn't that make him negligent?

I know. He knew what was going on and he tried to get help but how much help did he really try to get and how hard did he push for help?

I don't know what to make of this guy. He doesn't seem to be reacting the way I think most people would. He doesn't seem capable of taking serious situations seriously.

He keeps saying, "I tried to get my wife help" but in my gut, I just don't believe he understood what was going on. Even now, he still seems oddly detached from the events. He knows they happened (like he knew his wife was mad) but he doesn't seem to act normally.

He is a very odd fellow. There is a great deal of mental detachement and I think that detachment was there long before his wife did what she did.

The closest thing I can come to discribe this guy is that perhaps he autistic. He don't seem to experience normal emotions.

18 posted on 03/19/2002 7:21:52 AM PST by wwcc
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I'm not shifting blame; there are two kinds of blame here. Andrea murdered those children and was found guilty as she should have been. But Russell Yates has a large burden of blame to shoulder also.

Russell ignored medical advice about having more children. Russell knew that Andrea couldn't be left alone with the children and that was why his mother was always at the house. He lived in squalid conditions with a filthy, withdrawn wife who had attempted suicide. He cut her off from her family. He didn't help with the children. He overburdened this woman and knew what had happened when she called him with the news that day of the murders. No, he isn't guilty of murder, but he is guilty of child endangerment.

He is also monumentally selfish and grasping as his many television appearances reveal. He intends to sue and he blames everyone but himself, the person closest to the situation, for the deaths of the five innocent children.

19 posted on 03/19/2002 7:33:38 AM PST by austingirl
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Now if the guy would recover from John McCain disease, and get off the television--NOW!

For months, he hasn't been able to utter a word, because of the judges gag order. He is probably talking now because for the first time in 9 months he can.

20 posted on 03/19/2002 7:39:21 AM PST by Texas Mom
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