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Nuking New York
Fred On Everything ^ | 18 March 2002 | Fred Reed

Posted on 03/18/2002 4:19:28 PM PST by SwinusMaximus

In pondering the relentlessly invoked War on Terrorism, it seems to me we need to hold in the forefront of our minds one question: What would be the consequences of a nuclear explosion in an American city?

Is such an explosion really possible?

In the extremes of political discourse, particularly where the right wing runs out of feathers and giddy space begins, one finds a sort of ardent romantic paranoia, which seems to serve its partisans as a substitute for bowling. Those imbued with it argue that that the Russians plot a nuclear first-strike on the United States. Never mind that the Russians probably couldn't coordinate sock hops in neighboring high schools, aren't crazy, and have no reason to start a nuclear war. Alternatively, argue the chronically apocalyptic, the Chinese will nuke us. With a population of a billion-three, they say almost happily, China wouldn't mind losing 200 million people in a nuclear exchange. (This suggests a very peculiar understanding of the Chinese.) We therefore must become a frightened military state and build armed space stations or whatever.

A reasonable response, certainly my response, to these enthusiasts of global pan-frying is, "There, there, take your medication. Try on this nice white jacket with the lo-o-n-n-g sleeves. Yes, we're going to dinner. Everything will be all right."

Do you really worry that the Russians will nuke us? Me either.

Now ask yourself: If Moslem terrorists had a nuclear bomb and knew how to set it off, do you think they would hesitate to do so in an American city? Do you trust Iraq not to supply such a weapon if it had one?

Exactly.

Now, what would be the consequences of a nuclear burst in Manhattan? (Or Cleveland, which is probably less well guarded.) In physical terms it's hard to say. The damage would depend on the bomb, and bombs come in all sizes from small backpack models to great big huge ones. The destruction might be less than some would expect. American cities are made of concrete reinforced with steel, whereas Japanese cities in 1945 were of paper and wood. On the other hand, a ground burst, which it necessarily would be, would presumably be very dirty, producing large amounts of radioactive fallout.

These are details. They wouldn't matter.

Remember that after the towers went down, two things happened. First, the nation was engulfed in couch-potato blood-lust and ready to send other people to fight terrorists. Second, the airlines saw bookings drop precipitously. People were afraid to fly.

If a nuclear explosion destroyed even a few blocks of New York, would anyone ever go back to work in the city?

There might, after all, be another bomb waiting. There would certainly be radiation. The public would not think arithmetically in terms of rads and roentgens and allowable dosages. New York would be crippled. It happens to be the economic hub of the nation.

And of course we couldn't know whether there really was another bomb in New York, or in another city. In a sense it wouldn't matter. The possibility would be enough. What would Cincinnati do if, a week after New York went high-order, an Arabic accent called to say that the city was next?

I've seen Washington nearly shut down because somebody left jello somewhere marked "Antrax." (Spelling is a lost art, even among terrorists.) Imagine the panic if a city were told it was going to melt in two hours. The traffic jam would be monumental. People would be crushed to death. And the next day another city would panic.

In short, it seems to me that one small nuke would bring the country to a devastating halt, force it to become a police state, and leave us to live forever scared.

It may be that Moslems do not quite grasp what they are playing with. Some do, no doubt. Some don't care, yet, or else believe that nothing can happen to them. Terrorism aimed at the US relies on the principle that if we cannot attach an attack to a particular nation, with assurance bordering on beyond-reasonable-doubt, we can't, or won't, do anything nuclear.

But the United States can't allow nuclear terrorism and continue as a polity worth living in. Further, if pushed hard enough, America could end Islamic civilization in a day. And might. The Moslem world would do well to bear this in mind. There are lines one doesn't cross, things that cannot be permitted no matter the cost of preventing them. Further, a nation can become impulsive after losing 150,000 people and its principal city. Every country suspected of complicity could be bubbling slag before the sun went down, and probably would.

If this sounds like crazed doomsday maundering, ask yourself what else we would do when the Twin Towers looked like a minor traffic accident by comparison and the whole nation began living in fear of the next one.

And after that, what? It strikes me as probable that Europe would recognize that the same could happen to it, and support the US. (Except for France, which presumably has a surrender document on the Internet, with blanks you can fill in.) Japan also has terrorists and cities. I suspect that the civilized world in totality would decide that nuclear incendiarism was intolerable, since all would be vulnerable. The planet might decide that children, primitives, and zealots cannot be permitted to play with Bombs.

The result would be the virtual colonization of any Moslem country able or anywhere near able to produce nuclear weapons. The oil would be no barrier. As long as Russian didn't back the Arabs, Saudi Arabia could be occupied in about five minutes. By Papua-New Guinea, the Boy Scouts, or three Marines.

We should perhaps remember that large wars happen. Few wanted WWII or would have in 1932 thought it possible. Pearl Harbor, the 9/11 attacks, a nuclear bomb on American soil -- all, before they happen, sound like the ravings of dementia.

The world would be better off if these particular things didn't hapen. Frying several million people is not to be lightly undertaken. The results of major upheavals are not readily foreseen. How can a convulsion be prevented?

Answer: By taking any measures necessary -- any measures at all -- to prevent Iraq from building nuclear weapons. If it were not for the nuclear potential, one might argue about the President's policy toward Iraq. Or one might not. But Saddam Hussein cannot be permitted any possibility of having nuclear weapons. It's that simple. Whether we like it or not, we need to say "no," and we need to mean it. The potential consequences of not doing so leave no choice.

©Fred Reed 2002


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KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; geopolitics; iraq; terrorism
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Is Fred on target, or what?
1 posted on 03/18/2002 4:19:28 PM PST by SwinusMaximus
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To: SwinusMaximus
Well, aside from his rather absurd conclusions that a nuclear blast might only level a few blocks and that Cleveland is slightly less-guarded than Manhattan (like it would matter), he's close. I think the problem with portable nukes is that we wouldn't know who to blame. It could very well be the Saudis ... or the Egyptians ... or the Iranians ... or whoever. The real question remains: If you're going to nuke these countries to slag, where do you stop?
2 posted on 03/18/2002 4:27:06 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: SwinusMaximus
"or what"
3 posted on 03/18/2002 4:31:03 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Bush2000
If you're going to nuke these countries to slag, where do you stop?

a) After all moslems voluntarily become Hare Krishnas
b) After the Mideast is reduced to glowing radioactive slag
c) After half the nuclear arsenal is depleted
d) After 4:00 PM local time so it doesn't interfere with happy hour
e) After Hillary starts looking sorta cute.

Your choice!

4 posted on 03/18/2002 4:34:49 PM PST by neutrino
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To: SwinusMaximus
Let's just say that you won't be hearing any similar sentiments being voiced on CNN, NBC, CBS or even FOX News. He is just saying what Bush and his team would LIKE to say, but can't, for fear of appearing 'hysterical'. I like Fred. You can get his weekly column e-mailed if you visit his site.
5 posted on 03/18/2002 4:37:11 PM PST by pariah
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To: SwinusMaximus
Looks pretty close from RightWhale's point of view. One nuked city would be tough on the whole country. 3 nuked cities would be disaster and very difficult to deal with, but not total devastation. Recovery would come, but in time, not quickly. And that is America, which would be able to cope with such things to a degree. Any other country would be devastated.
6 posted on 03/18/2002 4:37:44 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: SwinusMaximus
Both can happen; i.e., the Soviets or Chicoms or North Koreans can indeed be planning to nuke us and various terrorists also. Indeed, it would be a feasible gambit for, say, North Korea to plant a nuke and provide a false trail to some terrorist group.

Either or both.

I happen to believe that it is now inevitable that an American city will disappear; the only questions are 'when' and 'which city?'

Robert Heinlein, writing just after WW II, predicted that America would have to become a police state, with checkpoints at all major cities--every point of entry--to preclude smuggling in a bomb. IMHO it is amazing it has taken this long for his prediciton to come (almost) true. I believe the piece was If This Goes On....

--Boris

7 posted on 03/18/2002 4:38:58 PM PST by boris
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To: SwinusMaximus
Click HERE for Fred's homepage.
8 posted on 03/18/2002 4:42:10 PM PST by pariah
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To: pariah
Ok, type in your browser www.fredoneverything.net/index.html. (And back to HTML Bootcamp for me!)
9 posted on 03/18/2002 4:43:34 PM PST by pariah
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To: SwinusMaximus
With the Kennedyesque sweep of the Cuban missile crisis, if we're so hit, we'll regard it as an attack on the United States by all 7 countries named in the recent nuclear posture review. Let them know the consequences from the outset. That should at least diminish the odds a bit.
10 posted on 03/18/2002 4:45:18 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Bush2000
By then you have lost most of your mideast oil. Then you can nuke China and eliminate the thingies that you buy at Walmart. Then nuke Russia for sending over a barrage and destroying our major cities.

Oh shucks, I better get out and finish digging my nuclear fall-out shelter in. Life is so great since we started the war on terror using nuclear technology. That Saddam insane sure started something when he started playing around with that microwave oven and the CIA saw him irradiate the cat.

11 posted on 03/18/2002 4:45:43 PM PST by meenie
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To: neutrino
Dude, I accept your proposal. Where's the damned button again?
12 posted on 03/18/2002 4:45:51 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: SwinusMaximus
"The Moslem world would do well to bear this in mind. There are lines one doesn't cross,...."

The mistake of this country has always been to assume its enemies are "rational".

Were the attacks on 9/11 committed by "rational" minds? I think not.

13 posted on 03/18/2002 4:47:05 PM PST by elbucko
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To: Bush2000
The more that comes out the more we see Bush's actions making more and more sense !

He'e putting the bastards on notice and I bet Cheney is telling them in person !

14 posted on 03/18/2002 4:47:50 PM PST by america-rules
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To: SwinusMaximus
Click HERE for Fred's homepage.
15 posted on 03/18/2002 4:47:58 PM PST by pariah
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To: pariah
Try this !
16 posted on 03/18/2002 4:49:25 PM PST by america-rules
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To: meenie
Oh shucks, I better get out and finish digging my nuclear fall-out shelter in.

When I was a kid, my brother and I cut through a neighbor's yard on the way home from school and found a curious looking hatch cover; in fact, my brother tripped over it. Otherwise, we never would have noticed it. Turns out that the former owner of the property had had a bomb shelter installed around the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Being curious kids, we looked inside and, aside from the awful stench of years of mildew and tarnished metal, it was the last place on Earth that I'd ever want to be. Ever. As far as I'm concerned, if there's a nuclear war and I can't be on a sailboat off the coast of New Zealand, I'm setting up a lawnchair at ground zero, baby. It's the only way to fry.
17 posted on 03/18/2002 4:51:37 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: america-rules
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Cheney is informing the Arabs that we will hold them all responsible if another atrocity occurs on American soil.
18 posted on 03/18/2002 4:53:01 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: SwinusMaximus
The essence of a defensive posture is decentralization. Centralization is evidence of the assumption of an offensive position. The intensity of centralization of our economy (in New York) and the command and control structure of the government (in Wash. DC) creates obvious weaknesses in a world in which technology has tipped the scales in favor of defense. The world is non-linear. Consider the results of perhaps half a million dollars spent to carry out 9-11 versus the billions to prosecute the war in Afghanistan.
19 posted on 03/18/2002 4:57:09 PM PST by motor_racer
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To: boris
I think that is the reason the Nuclear Posture Review was "leaked" to the press. It was the administration's way of telling the world exactly what Fred said, and scaring the crap out of certain regimes, who might be having idiot fantasies about getting away with nuking an American city.
20 posted on 03/18/2002 4:57:30 PM PST by Zorobabel
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