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Kiwis guide troops to al Qaeda
The New Zealand Herald ^ | 19.03.2002 | Scott MacLeod

Posted on 03/18/2002 11:24:43 AM PST by Blunderfromdownunder

New Zealand troops spied on al Qaeda forces in last week's fierce United States offensive in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan, say Israeli journalists.

The website debka.com said the elite Special Air Service troops were dropped on to mountains of eastern Afghanistan to spy on the build-up of al Qaeda and Taleban forces and guide 1500 US and Canadian troops in their assault, codenamed Operation Anaconda.

They and special forces from Australia and Norway worked in teams of three to five soldiers, hiding in caves above the snowline for up to four weeks.

Debka would not reveal its sources, but the website has scooped Western media several times this year and some of its revelations were confirmed in Australian defence force statements.

Debka editor-in-chief Giora Shamis said US forces had been troubled by security leaks among their Afghan allies, and tried to solve the problem by using New Zealand, Australian and Norwegian special forces in key roles.

Troops from those three nations were "seasoned in combat and intelligence gathering in high, snowbound mountain terrain".

In freezing temperatures, the troops were dropped into the rocky, snow-patched mountains around the Shah-i-Kot valley late last month to spy on al Qaeda, track their movements and mark targets.

Mr Shamis said the special forces operated at higher altitudes than the al Qaeda and were mostly unseen.

Towards the end of the battle - last week - special forces were engaged in fighting.

Mr Shamis did not know if New Zealanders were involved, but the Australian defence forces confirmed on Friday that they had been in the fighting.

When asked how the New Zealanders performed, Mr Shamis said: "From what I heard, they did a terrific job. They were the eyes of the attack."

Politicians and defence officials from New Zealand and Australia yesterday persisted in their policy of not commenting on the New Zealand SAS role in Afghanistan.

But their efforts have been undermined by the internet, which allows New Zealanders to access overseas reports.

On Friday, Prime Minister Helen Clark was forced to publicly acknowledge the SAS presence in Afghanistan for the first time when a White House website listed New Zealand's contribution, including that our forces had "recovered valuable equipment and forwarded it for exploitation".

An Australian Army spokesman was more forthcoming, giving an account that appears to tally with the Israeli reports.

Brigadier Paul Retter said 100 Australian soldiers played a "key role" in the fighting, and were among the first troops sent to the Shah-i-Kot battle area - the new front in eastern Afghanistan - after American forces overran the cave complexes of Tora Bora further north.

They provided "continuous observation", supported US ground troops and co-ordinated air strikes as the temperature hit minus 20C in the operation in which eight Americans died, their highest casualties of the war.

On Thursday and Friday, the Australians cut off enemy troops trying to flee to the south, killing more than 10. Brigadier Retter said the winter conditions were extremely harsh and demanding.

The number of New Zealand SAS soldiers in Afghanistan is not known, but has been estimated at between 18 and 30.

Little is known of the SAS apart from a rare open day in September 1998, when the SAS revealed it was able to deploy 25 soldiers above the snowline at any one time.

Its members are trained in a wide range of skills, including mountain climbing, surviving cold, hiking up to 80km each day with heavy packs, and laser-guiding bombs dropped from aircraft.

Internationally, the service was known for having perhaps the best trackers in the world.

The Debka website claims to have 4.2 million visitors a month.

Its staff rarely name their sources, but the site has received praise from several media organisations.

A reporter for Britain's Independent newspaper, Kim Sengupta, said US sources had repeatedly told him that New Zealand SAS soldiers had been in Kandahar with a Canadian contingent. He also heard they had been in Gardez, less than 30km from Shah-i-Kot.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alqaeda; anaconda; kiwi; newzealand; nz; sas; shahikot; talibanlist; warlist
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1 posted on 03/18/2002 11:24:43 AM PST by Blunderfromdownunder
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To: Blunderfromdownunder
"... the [ DEBKA ] site has received praise from several media orgnisations" Note well the author does not NAME those praising the site. Veteran FReepers don't even bother with DEBKA, except for entertainment value.

Should we write the editor and let them know?

2 posted on 03/18/2002 11:45:54 AM PST by Blueflag
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To: Blunderfromdownunder
Good post.
3 posted on 03/18/2002 11:47:27 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Blunderfromdownunder
humorous sentence structure as well:

" ...hiking up to 80km each day with heavy packs, and laser-guiding bombs..."

Those guys are real men.

4 posted on 03/18/2002 11:47:29 AM PST by Blueflag
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To: Blunderfromdownunder
Thanks, Kiwis!

God bless your troops!

5 posted on 03/18/2002 11:53:13 AM PST by dixiechick2000
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6 posted on 03/18/2002 12:00:37 PM PST by Consort
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To: aimlow
Considering that New Zealand is getting rid of it's air force and navy, it is nice to see that they have the ability to train such an elite unit of 25 men.
7 posted on 03/18/2002 12:08:23 PM PST by aimlow
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To: *Taliban_list;*War_list
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
8 posted on 03/18/2002 12:37:55 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: Blunderfromdownunder
Debka editor-in-chief Giora Shamis said US forces had been troubled by security leaks among their Afghan allies, and tried to solve the problem by using New Zealand, Australian and Norwegian special forces in key roles.

Don't you just love those Afghan allies? With them and a nickle, you'd have 4 cents. Best to get out as soon as possible and let those treacherous tribes continue to sell each other out, minus the Taliban government.

9 posted on 03/18/2002 12:45:26 PM PST by xJones
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To: kiwigal; shaggy eel; expots; new zealander; 2sheep; Brian Allen; mgstarr
Bump
10 posted on 03/18/2002 1:44:49 PM PST by Blunderfromdownunder
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To: cynicom;NHLiberty;AmericanVictory
,,, for the record.
11 posted on 03/18/2002 1:58:11 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: aimlow
,,, can we borrow 25 of your guys when planes fly into our buildings?
12 posted on 03/18/2002 2:00:13 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: norton
FYI
13 posted on 03/18/2002 2:12:05 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Shag....

Those tea swilling Brits are sending 1700 more fierce (hehe) fighters to Afghan this week. Well, what more are you down underers going to contribute? Does the blood really all congeal in your heads from walking upside down all the time????

14 posted on 03/18/2002 2:24:50 PM PST by cynicom
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To: cynicom
,,, we'll contribute the tea. As for walking upside down, where do you think my logic comes from? Stand tall Cynicom, it could be choppy waters ahead. I'll read about it each day as it happens, just like you do.
15 posted on 03/18/2002 2:29:45 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Considering you will need our ability to fly, float, have a tank, an artillery piece, resupply, drop a bomb, and about anything else since your nation is no longer capable of defending itself, on behalf of the president, sure.
16 posted on 03/18/2002 2:34:21 PM PST by aimlow
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To: aimlow
,,, oh, goodee! That's reassuring. As a sweetener, we'll throw in some free tariff etiquette consultancy. Do you feel a win/win coming on?
17 posted on 03/18/2002 2:41:37 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Don't get your panties in such a wad.
18 posted on 03/18/2002 2:43:26 PM PST by aimlow
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To: aimlow
,,, you win the "sophisticated reply of the day" award.
19 posted on 03/18/2002 2:47:40 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
So your panties are in a wad. How uncomfortable, of course it sounds as if you are used to it.
20 posted on 03/18/2002 2:52:57 PM PST by aimlow
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