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The Duty of Lying
Sobran's , Griffin Internet Syndicate ^ | 2/28/02 | Joseph Sobran

Posted on 03/16/2002 1:34:19 PM PST by TEXICAN II

The Duty of Lying February 28, 2002

by Joe Sobran

Wartime always brings expansions of state power, together with erosions of moral and constitutional standards. No sooner had the 9/11 attacks occurred than the Federal Government started assuming new powers and abridging old freedoms in the name of national security. And voices in the press were quick not only to defend these measures, but to call for even more of them.

Last fall an essay in the WALL STREET JOURNAL pointed out that Presidents Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Roosevelt had, during wartime, grossly violated the Constitution they were sworn to uphold. Was the author warning that a new war might also endanger constitutional law? No! On the contrary, he was arguing that the "war on terrorism" might also justify violations of the Constitution like those of these three "great" presidents. Past violations serve as precedents for new violations.

Of course this begs the question by assuming that a president who disregards his oath of office can deserve to be called "great." From a constitutional point of view, by the measures of limited government, personal freedom, and the rule of law, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were our three worst presidents.

Oddly enough, the arguments for lower moral and constitutional standards in wartime are coming not from the liberal and socialist media, but from the allegedly "conservative" press, which you might expect to defend the Constitution, the rule of law, and basic morality. THE WEEKLY STANDARD has all but endorsed the use of torture against enemies -- not just to extract information, but to inflict punishment. NATIONAL REVIEW has run several articles calling for toppling foreign governments and for assassinating foreign rulers.

Now the JOURNAL has weighed in again with a piece by Joseph E. Persico arguing the merits of government lying during wartime. He offers as a model the lies Roosevelt used against Germany during World War II. Persico plays down the fact that Roosevelt didn't just plant lies to fool the Germans during the war; he lied to Americans to draw them into the war in the first place! His first lie was his oath of office, which he never intended to honor. And he never stopped lying.

Not that Persico seems to mind; he thinks lying in whatever he deems a good cause is a positive virtue. Another of his heroic liars is Winston Churchill, who forged documents to convince Roosevelt that the Germans had designs in the Western Hemisphere. He even supplied "proof" that "the Germans already had 5,000 troops in Brazil poised to threaten the Panama Canal."

"It was all a tissue of lies fabricated by the British," Persico writes. "But Roosevelt was not about to scrutinize to death intelligence that would help him lead American public opinion along the course he wanted, war against Germany." Roosevelt cited this "intelligence" in his speeches and fireside chats. These lies were welcome to his ears, and he gladly relayed them to Americans who trusted their president to tell them the truth. After all, their lives and their sons' lives were at stake.

In retrospect, and after six decades, you might think people would draw the lesson that "democracy" and "self-government" are meaningless if government officials can deceive the electorate in such vital matters. After all, aren't "We the People" supposed to be making the big decisions, on the basis of accurate information?

Maybe honorable people do draw this lesson. But the lesson drawn by the WALL STREET JOURNAL is just the opposite: that lying to the public can be a legitimate and desirable government policy -- even a governmental duty.

And if lying to the public -- in a good cause, of course -- can be a right and duty of government, may it not also be a right and duty of journalists? Isn't it the patriotic duty of journalists to support and if possible assist their government in wartime?

Last week we learned that a JOURNAL reporter had been horribly murdered by terrorists in Pakistan. This was a shocking violation of the immunity journalists are traditionally entitled to as noncombatants whose role is to report facts honestly and impartially. Is it possible that the killers of Daniel Pearl saw him not as a noncombatant, but as an active agent of the U.S. Government? Nothing can excuse or justify such savagery, but compromising the neutrality of journalists could furnish it with a deadly pretext.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: pearl; persico; sobrans; wallstreetjournal
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To: TEXICAN II
"So you have only focused on one third of his activities." It was acts of a sexual nature that led to a four count impeachment in the House of Representatives. He's never been charged with anything else. He's never been convicted of anything. I tried to focus on the facts. Remember, he's a bad man even if he never committed a crime. Just like President Bush is a good man even though he has committed a crime.
21 posted on 03/17/2002 5:16:03 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: TEXICAN II
Let's go slowly. (1) According to the story, Santa Claus brings presents to reward virtue, and leaves nothing or perhaps a lump of coal to reward vice. (2) Jewish and Muslim kids tend not to get any presents from Santa Claus. Any halfway intelligent child who believes the Santa Claus story and who knows some Jewish or Muslim kids will be able to draw the obvious conclusion.
22 posted on 03/17/2002 5:18:57 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
ref to your post #10
Your response reminds me of the scene from STRIPES where Bill Murray and his buddy are in the Army recruiter's office. The recruiter asks them if they have ever been convicted of any crimes and they look at each other and ask Convicted??? (smiles on their faces) no - never convicted. Of course they both know they have done plenty of "bad things" but they just have never been caught.
I think Clintons response would be the same. The real measure of a man is "can he learn from his past mistakes?" Yea Bush has been convicted of drunk driving but that was in the past and he no longer engages in that type of behaviour. Can Clinton say the same about his behaviour???
23 posted on 03/17/2002 6:08:17 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Thank you for your very kind reply! But, lets go even more slowly, please.

Jews ( in my limited experience of business relations with perhaps a few hundred good customers and fellow salesman in the furniture industry, over perhaps 15 years ) are, in my estimation, remarkable for 1, their discipline and integrity 2, their frequent and very regular kindness to children-with or without Santa Claus. They have been somewhat critized in some remarks from interviews I have heard from Israel, for this generous practice, regarded as far too materialistic. You see, your #16 I find to be badly constructed-false-and to be a gratuitous, backhanded slap at Christianity, whether intentional or not! I appreciate you are only attempting some light humor, but its likely I suspect, that even very young children have no serious difficulty discerning the religous significance of Santa Claus & his connection to Christian Christmas. That anyone might invent contrived humor about Americans who happen to be Jewish is not at all offensive. IMHO, they thrive on such attention & they have been so successful as to find it almost impossible to avoid'spoiling' their children. It has become cliched.

Your #16 I still find contrived and hollow.

24 posted on 03/17/2002 6:30:27 AM PST by TEXICAN II
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To: Mopp4
You got dat right! But oh what tricks W be up to now?
25 posted on 03/17/2002 6:32:11 AM PST by TEXICAN II
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To: Pistias
...sometimes leaders do know better (i.e., more knowledge and/or more brains)...

Mencken said it better than I can:

“The theory behind representative government is that superior men--or at all events, men not inferior to the average in ability and integrity--are chosen to manage the public business, and that they carry on this work with reasonable intelligence and honesty. There is little support for that theory in the known facts.” -- H.L. Mencken

Regards

J.R.

26 posted on 03/17/2002 8:24:02 AM PST by NMC EXP
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To: TEXICAN II
Bump to that...and if the nature of demokratia ("the people are strong" literally) is something you're interested in, if you've hadn't had the pleasure you'll find this very interesting.
27 posted on 03/17/2002 8:30:33 AM PST by Pistias
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To: NMC EXP
Sadly, I have no argument. The people are responsible for choosing good leaders, and we have failed time and again.
28 posted on 03/17/2002 8:31:49 AM PST by Pistias
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To: Pistias
The people are responsible for choosing good leaders

But who or what is responsible for selecting the candidates? The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Regards

J.R.

29 posted on 03/17/2002 8:35:29 AM PST by NMC EXP
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To: NMC EXP
The lesser of two evils is still evil

In the abscence of one good, one less evil is better than nothing. And FTR, I agree with you on this one too. Institutions can't make people just or virtuous, but they can hinder it.

30 posted on 03/17/2002 8:38:54 AM PST by Pistias
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To: Pistias
A fellow ward of the state of illinois I see. You have my sympathy.

Regards

J.R.

31 posted on 03/17/2002 8:44:26 AM PST by NMC EXP
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To: Pistias
Well, you are indeed kind! I have of course read this once, & still have a copy, but your link is equally fascinating-they may have more! Much more!

I seem to recall he actually visited Texas or perhaps it was on a riverboat trip-where he meet with that grand rascal, Sam Houston! You know, that would have been a very interesting conversation. Remember those wonderful programs Steve Allen used to create-a little dinner party with his choice of historical characters?

32 posted on 03/17/2002 8:48:36 AM PST by TEXICAN II
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To: TEXICAN II
Light your torches & pry up the cobblestones. Its time for the rabble to answer a thinking man, with the only tools they may have at hand.

You really have to wonder why someone would want to associate with "rabble", or even hang around a news forum where "rabble" congregate.

I hear that bartcop has an opening, TEXICAN II (whatever happened to "TEXICAN I" - somebody ban it?). Free Kool-Aid to drink as well.

33 posted on 03/17/2002 8:56:39 AM PST by strela
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To: NMC EXP;BillyBoy
Appreciated, and I'm sad to say that Hastert is my rep. Have you talked with BillyBoy about rustling up some O'Malley support down in your parts?
34 posted on 03/17/2002 9:16:00 AM PST by Pistias
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To: TEXICAN II
Maybe you can clarify for me which of the following points you want to deny: (1) According to the story, Santa claus brings presents to virtuous children; (2) Santa Claus doesn't even appear to bring presents to Jewish and Muslim children. (3) A halfway intelligent child who believed the story and was in a position to look around and see that no Jewish or Muslim kids were even appearing to get gifts from Santa Claus would be in a position to draw the obvious conclusion.
35 posted on 03/17/2002 10:23:40 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Pistias;BillyBoy
The ISRA (Illinois State Rifle Association) is backing O'Malley, so am I. Anyone associated with the statist (lyin) ryan is tainted. Hell, one of the few democrats I've voted for was ryan's opponent (name escapes me). Don't misunderstand, I am not a republican, it's just that I get few chances to vote for someone outside the duopoly so I'm often left with the lesser of two evils/Hobsen's choice. I almost always vote against incumbents, and vote third (actually second) party whenever possible.

Regards

J.R.

36 posted on 03/17/2002 12:28:58 PM PST by NMC EXP
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