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Parents drug use, sex lives steal focus: (Van Dam's reveal intimate details, more questions arise!)
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| March 16, 2002
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Posted on 03/16/2002 12:09:40 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
She need a special shopping trip to to buy that outfit?? GEEEEEE
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
The parents were slaughtered by FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS Real life sit in Jacksonville FL about 2 yrs ago, 8yr old girl is missing. Police and neighbors search for he. Turns out neighbor boy killed her with a ball bat and stuffed her under his waterbed. Police checked his house but not with dogs.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/020602/new_8550028.html
Seems that most kids would make a fuss if a stranger tried to abduct them, but when it's someone the kid knows it makes it very easy for the perp.
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posted on
03/17/2002 5:39:24 PM PST
by
tutstar
To: golitely
I did not know another child's fingerprints (a playmate of Danielle) was found in DW's RV. According to the post on websleuth, the playmate is alive and well. Has anyone verified this info (did I miss it in the hearings?)? That means they had to have been in his RV some other time. On DW's scratches, could the dog have done it? Or has that been ruled out? Can anyone imagine why BVD keeps lying about the dancing with DW? Why doesn't she admit it, when she has admitted to him buying drinks (and other trinkling out of info instead of telling the truth the first 20 times)? I am perplexed, and wonder if you all have any theories as to why she doesn't admit it. She can't come back and say she was too drunk and didn't remember, because she said in testimony she was clear headed (even with the dope smoking hmm...).
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posted on
03/17/2002 5:39:36 PM PST
by
Lanza
To: Tuor
Now everyone is going to know about their personal lives because such lives may or may not have had some bearing on the murder. Except it did have a bearing on the death of the child..
What is done in the darkness always come into the light!
To: RnMomof7
Why wasn't the netting taken for evidence I wonder (for hair fibers etc.,)?
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posted on
03/17/2002 5:41:02 PM PST
by
Lanza
To: Drango
Of course these are NOT a perfect couple. They appear to be SCUM...But even SCUM don't deserve to have their child abducted/murdered. If they did there would be millions of child murders every year.
I feel much more sorry for the child than I do the parents. She was first let down by a couple of drunk, potheads, most likely passed out and couldn't hear her being abducted to her own murder.
Focus, I repeat FOCUS, on the murder of the child, not the sins of the parents...
I think it's a pretty fair bet that the child would not have been murdered had she had conscious, clear-headed parents in the home who concentrated on something other than their own carnal pleasure.
They should be charged with child neglect or whatever could be thrown at them. The remaining children should be permanently removed from their household which was obviously more pleasure palace than a home.
However, the bastard that took advange of the situation set up by these losers to murder that poor child should be given the needle.
To: Lanza
Q: And you knew Barbara and Denise, isn't that correct?
A: Yes
Q: And you had a relationship with Barbara, isn't that correct?
OBJECTION - irrelevent - Overruled
A: Yes
Q: That evening, at about 2 o'clock, your wife came home. Is that correct, Sir?
A: Yes, 1:55.
Q: I'm sorry. Did you hear her come into the house?
A: Yes
Q: Was that because the security system made whatever noises it makes?
A: I heard the voices, is what I recall hearing.
Q: And did you hear male voices as well?
A: Yes, I did.
Q: At some point, did your wife go up the stairs with Barbara?
A: I don't know if she went up the stairs with Barbara or not. I know both her and Barbara were in the room.
Q: I'm sorry.... in the room?
A ...in the bedroom I was in.
Q: Ok. Both your wife and Barbara went into the bedroom you were in before you got up out of bed. Is that correct?
A: Yes
Q: And then your wife left you alone with Barbara in your bedroom, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: And then Barbara got into bed with you, is that correct?
A: That's not the proper order. Order matters.
Q: OK please tell me what's the correct order.
A: Barbara got in bed with me first.
Q: Oh, Barbara got in bed with you before your wife left the room, is that correct?
A: Yes
Q: And when Barbara got in bed with you before you left the room, was it then that you put your arm around her and started to kiss her?
A: Yes
Q: And that was in the preseense of your wife?
A: I can't say for sure whether she was int he room or not at that moment.
Q: And how long did you stay in bed with Barbara?
A: About 5 minutes.
Q: And did it seem to you when Barbara came upstairs that she was under the influence of anything?
A: Yes.
Q: She was intoxicated, wasn't she?
A: I don't know enough to say she was intoxicated but she was tired.
Q: Well, I just asked you a second ago whether she was under the influence of something and I thought I heard you say yes. Could you please tell me what you thought she was under the influence of.
A: Alcohol. That does not directly lead to intoxication in my mind.
Q: Alright - so you are just making a distinction between alcohol use and intoxication, is that right?
A: Yes
Q: And based on your experience does Barbara handle her liquor pretty well?
A: I don't know
To: Jaded
Didn't I read that he (the suspect) had child porn in his home and RV? I do think he had a thing for children.
To: crystalk
One more thought about the RV.....
The prints and blood evidence can't be dated - - important to note that. Danielle could have been in that RV days or months before the murder.
Put DW at the scene of the crime - - in her room, at Dehesa - - then you got him, dead to rights.....
To: spectre
VIAGRA, of course! Valium doesn't have a V on it, it is just a little tiny yellow pill.
To: spectre
VIAGRA, of course! Valium doesn't have a V on it, it is just a little tiny yellow pill.
To: FresnoDA
This is just sick. These two were obviously irresponsible parents who only thought of themselves and their own pleasures!
So disgusting the CPS does nothing even if they are called. They leave children in homes where clearly their best interest is not being served.
Although it is possible the parents had nothing to do physically with Danielle's death, they sure did morally IMHO!
Hopefully someone else is taking care of their other children now, right?
I do think there is more to this tragic story .
To: FresnoDA
Brenda testified that her and Damon's bedroom was to the right as you came up the stairs. The kid's bedrooms were to the left. The youngest boy's to the immediate left, followed by Danielle's and then the oldest boy's.
Did Damon say he walked by her room 4 times? If so, why? Where was he going when he passed her room?
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posted on
03/17/2002 5:51:01 PM PST
by
nycgal
To: nycgal
Our children should NEVER have to ask us if we love them.....never.......what a pathetic family
To: Lanza
Why wasn't the netting taken for evidence I wonder (for hair fibers etc.,)?Good question..Is this a police job like the Ramsey one
To: RnMomof7
I make it point to talk to my children daily (when possible- I work overseas) and tell them that I love them...that way they NEVER have to ask.
To: Tofa Swiftgoat
However, the bastard that took advange of the situation set up by these losers to murder that poor child should be given the needle.
That sounds good to me...do you have irrefutable proof that DW is the sole perp in this murder?
If not, then I am sure you would want ALL OF THOSE involved brought to justice, correct?
Last thing we want is simply a pound of flesh......
To: Tofa Swiftgoat
I think it's a pretty fair bet that the child would not have been murdered had she had conscious, clear-headed parents in the home who concentrated on something other than their own carnal pleasure. Right on..their behavior invited strangers and perverts into their home..this child was "selected" because of them.
To: spectre
valium does not have a v on it
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posted on
03/17/2002 6:01:24 PM PST
by
demsux
To: FresnoDA
Now it develops that DW DNA was NEVER FOUND IN DANIELLE'S ROOM OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN VD HOME! That had all been basically a lie.
And now it is said that the hand and fingerprints of several neighborhood children are also in the RV, not just Danielle's.
They were coming and going all night long in front of that (supposedly open ) door of Danielle's, with her bed in plain sight. I do not believe they never glanced in -- and if she were THERE, but DEAD, that would probably have passed muster, the state they were in...
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