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Black pupils 'under-achieving'
BBC Online ^ | 3-16-02

Posted on 03/16/2002 5:14:04 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Black children are being treated unfairly in schools, with higher levels of expulsion and poor exam grades, a special conference in London is being told.  The event, aimed at finding ways to improve the performance of black pupils, is being organised and chaired by Labour MP Diane Abbott.  As it got under way on Saturday, she said the "massive turnout" showed how concerned black parents were at the way schools were "failing" their children.

There are concerns that children from certain ethnic groups are falling behind in the transition from primary to secondary education.  Ms Abbott says parents, teachers and government must all play their part in the solution, and has called for more government funding for Saturday schools set up by black people.

The schools are popular with African-Caribbean parents in Britain concerned that their children are not doing as well as they might in state schools.  Ms Abbott said in a BBC News Online forum that people often struggled to keep supplementary schools going, and should be supported financially.

The Department for Education does have a support service to help such "supplementary schools" - of which there are known to be 1,200 - focused on four pilot areas.  It is developing a new strategy to deal with what it says is a complex issue, in part through trying to draw these Saturday schools into the mainstream system.

'A light goes out'

Until the results of the new, fully computerised school census are made public, it is not clear exactly how different racial groups fare in school.  But surveys suggest pupils of black, Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin have improved less well than other groups.

Ms Abbott told News Online's users that when children from her Hackney constituency visited the House of Commons they were bright, sharp, eager, and full of interest.  "And somehow by the time these same children are in secondary school it is as if a light has gone out inside them," she said.

"And I want to find out what is happening to them so that those children could continue to be as eager and willing to learn as they are when they come into schools aged five and six."  She said the turning point of puberty raised a number of issues.

"The boys are reaching adolescence, they look quite big - literally quite big and threatening - and I think some teachers do have a problem with this.  "I think it's a complex thing but I mean it's sad that children that come in so bright and so eager should end up disaffected and disillusioned."

'No quick fix'

Schools Minister Catherine Ashton is also attending the conference.  Her message is that successive governments have failed to solve the problem of black under achievement and it is unacceptable that attainment gaps remain - but there are no "quick fix" solutions.

She wants to look at how successful ideas - such as supplementary schools - can be integrated into mainstream education.  "Previously our approach was to see ethnic minority achievement as an add-on rather than thinking about how we can create mainstream policies for every child," she said.

A new group will bring together people from a range of backgrounds, and there will be encouragement for black parents to become involved in schools and to become governors.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blackpupils; britishfriends; educationnews; uk
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1 posted on 03/16/2002 5:14:04 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Oddly enough, the local seattle rag just ran a story on the disparate discipline being meted out to minorities in Seattle schools.
2 posted on 03/16/2002 5:18:00 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Let's see...maybe the white people are responsible.
4 posted on 03/16/2002 5:26:51 AM PST by What Is Ain't
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It's not just the "awful United States" where this is happening?

I should have liked more information about how successful the "Saturday schools" have been.

5 posted on 03/16/2002 5:28:10 AM PST by Amelia
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To: anniegetyourgun; oldeconomybuyer
I remember hearing a BBC report in Britain some years back that struck me as odd. It concerned a movement among African-Carribbean blacks (the majority of blacks in the UK) to increase the level of discipline their children received at the hands of local schoolmasters. Apparently, traditional African and Carribbean schools are tight ships where discipline is strictly enforced either through religious or military training. Many black UK parents, who had grown up in these schools and fondly recalled instruction they received, were then agitating that British schools serving them adopt harsher methods of discipline.

when I heard this, all I could think about was how you were never hear a report such as this in the US. The idea of American blacks banding together and clamoring for increased school discipline is almost comically absurd.

I hope a time will come when this idea doesn't seem so far-fetched as to be humorous.
6 posted on 03/16/2002 5:34:19 AM PST by bourbon
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To: abwehr
Black children are being treated unfairly in schools, with higher levels of expulsion and poor exam grades, a special conference in London is being told.

Does the fact that black children have higher levels of expulsion and poor exam grades mean that they are being treated unfairly, or does it mean that they actually do not behave as well and do not study?

If the students are not behaving in school, this could be the cause of the low exam grades and higher expulsion rate. (Of course, lack of ability or lack of skills can lead to poor behavior -- but so can lack of parenting.)

It would be nice to see a scientifically valid study of whether the cause was cultural, genetic, or a result of prejudice within the school system, but I don't expect one.

7 posted on 03/16/2002 5:35:59 AM PST by Amelia
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Does this mean they will have to go Africa to get an education?
8 posted on 03/16/2002 5:38:18 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules
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To: Amelia
Analysis: Raising black performance

9 posted on 03/16/2002 5:38:19 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The boys are reaching adolescence, they look quite big - literally quite big and threatening - and I think some teachers do have a problem with this

What an incredibly weird thing to say.

10 posted on 03/16/2002 5:38:57 AM PST by PLK
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To: abwehr
Since no one has been able to find a solution to racial disparities in academic performance it is likely there is none.

In the US, black IQ test scores are comparable to how whites scored decades before. Whites haven't gotten smarter in the interim. The differences in performance are almost certainly attributable to differences in culture, IMHO. They aren't carved in stone, but none of the measures taken have addressed the key issue.

That being the case, governments and people should simply accept what is inevitable rather than feed unrealistic expectations.

That's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

11 posted on 03/16/2002 5:39:59 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Amelia
Does the fact that black children have higher levels of expulsion and poor exam grades mean that they are being treated unfairly, or does it mean that they actually do not behave as well and do not study?

Shame shame shame on you, with your racist and intolerant talk! How dare you suggest that THEY are responsible for their own behavior and grades! You're in need of a Sensitivity course, the 16-week kind.

12 posted on 03/16/2002 5:41:31 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Amelia
Does the fact that black children have higher levels of expulsion and poor exam grades mean that they are being treated unfairly, or does it mean that they actually do not behave as well and do not study?

The press, and even many educators, do not understand that correlation DOES NOT equal causation! I suspect, however, that even if they did, they would still use the numbers to distort the facts. It's a common practice used especially well by libs to promote their point of view.

13 posted on 03/16/2002 5:43:00 AM PST by PLK
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To: Amelia
Reminds me of a headline I saw in the AJC one Sunday...Blacks and Hispanics in GA scored much lower in SAT's than Whites and Orientals, therefore the test was "racist" (but they failed to explain if it was racist, why the Orientals scored the highest of all groups).
14 posted on 03/16/2002 5:43:44 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: What Is Ain't
Let's see...maybe the white people are responsible.

Nope. Racists are responsible.

15 posted on 03/16/2002 5:45:32 AM PST by Ubonic
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Soon, they will be mouthing about reparations and permanent quotas. The pattern is clear.
16 posted on 03/16/2002 5:51:38 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
One thing you can say about the majority of black people: wherever they are, they're consistent. Srew up everything around you, blame the white man -- and collect your welfare check. Calling Walter Williams, Thomas Soule, Clarence Thomas. When will the truly great black leaders be allowed to lead?
17 posted on 03/16/2002 5:55:26 AM PST by elwoodp
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To: GuillermoX
I live in Ga. 'black schools' in ghetto areas are the pits. 'white schools' where the more affluent send their children are barely adequate.. but better. Better teachers, facilities, programmes etc.
18 posted on 03/16/2002 5:56:16 AM PST by Ubonic
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To: elwoodp
Calling Walter Williams, Thomas Soule, Clarence Thomas. When will the truly great black leaders be allowed to lead?

ha ha hah. That is rich.

20 posted on 03/16/2002 5:57:31 AM PST by Ubonic
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