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To: Mulder; Travis McGee; Lurker; squantos; noumenon ; Abundy; one_particular_harbour
Sam Wichner, firearms instructor for the Baltimore office, and from Jim Ellis, a supervisor in the Calverton office, which reports to the Baltimore field office.

Clearly we have two more agents who need to be off the Federal Payroll and possibly facing obstruction of justice charges. I will not at this time review all the things apparently bad with this shooting but suffice to say Christopher Braga needs to be facing a criminal court date based upon what has been admitted by the FBI already.

Hodgson said that Wichner warned him that he would "end up looking pretty silly" once the shooting was ruled justified. In the call from Ellis, Hodgson said, he was told that he would be blocked from social interaction with his former FBI colleagues and friends if he worked on this case. Hodgson said it was Ellis who warned, "There's no middle ground on this thing. You're either with us or against us."

Now we have two more names of rogue agents. They are rogue agents because they are seeking to intimidate citizebs, in this case a former FBI agent. If they will do that to a former agent with presumably many contacts within the agency what will they do to a citizen who has no such contacts? These armed federal agents have clearly adopted a truth be damned us versus them attitude and anyone who is not one of their cronies with the FBI is one of them. They have crossed the line that separates law enforcement from a thug squad exemplified by such organizations as the Gestapo and Stasi.

For those recording the names of enemies of our Constitution I would suggest that these two be added to the list. Remember they turn on one of their own merely for seeking the truth. If it were a "clean shoot" why would they need to discourage any probe into the matter? If it were a "clean shoot" they should be willing to help anyone probing into the matter.

The FBI is supposed to be are top of the line Law Enforcement agency yet they are doing their best to imitate a Third world secret police operation at least in this case. The fact that these agents would even consider making such threats to a former agent means that their supervisors are at best incompetent hacks. If the FBI does not start cleaning up its house the results for this nation are cataclysimic.

One of the facts of life to consider is that when the general populace faces a totally corrupt state wher ethere is no relif under all the other laws rule .308 is the next step. These agents may think that it will not apply to them but like everyone else they shop, they have their hobbies they park in parking lots. rule .308 is absolute and can be applied anywhereand at any time. They seem to be wanting to force the issue.

Stay well - stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

24 posted on 03/15/2002 7:32:06 AM PST by harpseal
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To: harpseal
They are definately due for retirement (not killing, just get them out of the FBI)

They think just because the kid made a sudden move they can shoot him. What they fail to realize is that they put themselves into a position where his sudden move became threatening. If they had followed procedures they would not have felt threatened and the kid would be alive today.

30 posted on 03/15/2002 7:44:35 AM PST by Abundy
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To: harpseal
One of the facts of life to consider is that when the general populace faces a totally corrupt state wher ethere is no relif under all the other laws rule .308 is the next step. These agents may think that it will not apply to them but like everyone else they shop, they have their hobbies they park in parking lots. rule .308 is absolute and can be applied anywhereand at any time. They seem to be wanting to force the issue.

Very well stated. They seem to be pushing the issue, between this and the Puckett situation.

Hopefully enough people still support the Bill of Rights to do what needs to be done when the time comes.

35 posted on 03/15/2002 7:56:23 AM PST by Mulder
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To: harpseal
Good post, anything I say will prove I'm one of those against us sorts that these irresponsible idiots fear. That office used to be held in high esteem by most Americans, now I fear and suspect it as I do any enemy of the American way of life. If I were an agent in that outfit such unprofessional hotdogs who do or cover for others would be let alone to wither on the vine per se.....peer pressure IMHO is all that good agents have these days to rid themselves of these clintonista regime of thinkers. Problem is that SAC's are now high enough in the food chain of that outfit to ensure others like them survive regardless of law, or internal investigations......

Total reorganization or development of an entire new unit and the eventual disbanding of the FiBi's is all that will work IMHO. But then this is America and sheeple will elect sadly more bubbafucco's and any good unit can only really police itself so much...........

A real pisser indeed, Stay Safe !

47 posted on 03/15/2002 9:36:24 AM PST by Squantos
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To: harpseal

"You're either with us, or with the peasants."

ES IST VERBOTEN, STAAT SEKURITAT ZU KRITISIERON!


49 posted on 03/15/2002 9:39:45 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: harpseal
"There's no middle ground in this thing. You're either with us or against us."

On this, at least, I can agree with the FBI and their comrades. There is no middle ground, and its hould be obvious beyond question where the FBI and their brother agencies stand. Only consequences remain.

67 posted on 03/15/2002 12:21:30 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: harpseal
Just 2 years ago, 3 undercover DEA agents were imbibing heavily in the local Hampton, VA tavern (Roonies) and nearly killed another patron whence words were exchanged. The government maneuvering & manipulating was in full gear to keep a felony conviction from terminating their cocky agent. Fortunately, the jury found him guilty of felony maiming & that retired him from the WOD squad. Anyway, I'll be so glad to escape this lousy City of Hampton & am building a new home in Yorktown this spring.
192 posted on 03/16/2002 4:01:39 PM PST by VAwireguy
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