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Why Arabs Lose Wars
Paradox Internet Forum (Sweden) ^ | March, 2002 | Unknown

Posted on 03/14/2002 10:30:22 PM PST by Gladwin

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Here are the footnotes:

1 Saeed M. Badeeb, The Saudi-Egyptian Conflict over North Yemen 1962-1970, (Boulder, Westview Press: 1986), pp. 33-42.

2 R. D. McLaurin, The Battle of Zahle (Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Md.: Human Engineering Laboratory, Sept. 1986), pp. 26-27.

3 Anthony Cordesman and Abraham Wagner, The Lessons of Modern War, Volume II: The Iran-Iraq War, (Boulder, Colo.: Westview Press, 1990), pp. 89-98; Phebe Marr, The Modern History of Iraq (Boulder Colo.: Westview Press, 1985), pp. 22-223, 233- 234.

4 Kenneth M. Pollack, "The Influence of Arab Culture on Arab Military Effectiveness" (Ph.d. diss., Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1996), pp. 259-261 (Egypt); pp. 533-536 (Saudi Arabia); pp. 350-355 (Iraq). Syrians did not see significant combat in the 1991 Gulf war but my conversations with U.S. personnel in liaison with them indicated a high degree of paranoia and distrust toward Americans and other Arabs.

5 David Kahn, "United States Views of Germany and Japan," Knowing One's Enemies: Intelligence Before the Two World Wars, ed., Ernest R. May (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1984), pp. 476-503.

6 Gerhard L. Weinberg, The Foreign Policy of Hitler's Germany: Diplomatic Revolution in Europe, 1933-1936 (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1970), p. 21.

7 Stanley Karnow, Vietnam: A History (New York: Penguin Books, 1984), p. 18.

8 Paul Kennedy, The Rise and Fall of Great Powers (New York: Random House, 1987), pp. 186-187. The German assessment from T. Dodson Stamps and Vincent J. Esposito, eds., A Short History of World War I (West Point, N.Y.: United States Military Academy, 1955), p. 8.

9 William Manchester, Winston Spencer Churchilll: The Last Lion Alone, 1932-1940 (New York: Dell Publishing, 1988), p. 613; Ernest R. May "Conclusions," Knowing One's Enemies, pp. 513-514. Hitler thought otherwise, however.

10 Avraham (Bren) Adan, On the Banks of the Suez (San Francisco: Presideo Press, 1980), pp. 73-86. "Thus the prevailing feeling of security, based on the assumption that the Arabs were incapable of mounting an overall war against us, distorted our view of the situation," Moshe Dayan stated."As for the fighting standard of the Arab soldiers, I can sum it up in one sentence: they did not run away." Moshe Dayan: Story of My Life (New York: William Morrow and Company, 1976), p. 510.

11 John Keegan, A History of Warfare (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1993), p. 18.

12 Ibid., p. 387

13 John Walter Jandora, Militarism in Arab Society: A Historiographical and Bibliographical Sourcebook (Westport, Ct.: Greenwood Press, 1997), p. 128.

14 T. E. Lawrence, The Evolution of a Revolt (Ft. Leavenworth Kans.: CSI, 1990), p. 21.( A reprint of article originally published in the British Army Quarterly and Defense Journal, Oct. 1920.)

15 Author's observations buttressed by such scholarly works as Eli Shouby, "The Influence of the Arabic Language on the Psychology of the Arabs," Readings in Arab Middle Eastern Societies and Culture, ed. Abdullah M. Lutfiyya and Charles Churchill (The Hague: Mouton Co., 1970), pp. 688-703; Hisham Shirabi and Muktar Ani, "Impact of Class and Culture on Social Behavior: The Feudal-Bourgeois Family in Arab Society," Psychological Dimensions of Near Eastern Studies, ed. L. Carl Brown and Norman Itzkowitz (Princeton: The Darwin Press, 1977), pp. 240-256; Sania Hamady, Temperament and Character of the Arabs (New York: Twayne Publishers, 1960), pp. 28-85; Raphael Patai, The Arab Mind (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1973), pp. 20-85.

16 Pollack, "The Influence of Arab Culture," p. 759.

17 Samuel P. Huntington, "The Clash of Civilizations," Foreign Affairs, Summer 1993, pp. 21-49.

18 Paul M. Belbutowski, "Strategic Implications of Cultures in Conflict," Parameters, Spring 1996, pp. 32-42.

19 Carlo D'Este, Patton: A Genius for War (New York: Harper-Collins, 1996), p. 383.

20 Saad el-Shazly, The Crossing of the Suez (San Francisco: American Mideast Research, 1980), p. 47.

21 Jordan may be an exception here; however, most observers agree that its effectiveness has declined in the past twenty years.

22 Pollack, "The Influence of Arab Culture," pp. 256-257.

23 H. Norman Schwarzkopf, It Doesn't Take A Hero (New York: Bantam Books, 1992), p. 494.

24 Khaled bin Sultan, Desert Warrior: A Personal View of the War by the Joint Forces Commander (New York: Harper-Collins, 1995), pp. 368-69.

25 Based on discussions with U.S. personnel in the area and familiar with the battle.

26 Yesoshat Harkabi, "Basic Factors in the Arab Collapse During the Six Day War," Orbis, Fall 1967, pp. 678-679.

27 James Lunt, Hussein of Jordan, Searching for a Just and Lasting Peace: A Political Biography (New York: William Morrow, 1989), p. 99.

28 Patrick Seale, Asad of Syria: The Struggle for the Middle East (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1988), pp. 197-99; Shazly, Crossing of the Suez, pp. 21, 37.

29 Samir A. Mutawi, Jordan in the 1967 War (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1987), p. 161.

30 James A. Bill and Robert Springborg, Politics in the Middle East, 3rd Ed. (New York: Harper-Collins, 1990), p. 262.

31 Anwar el-Sadat, In Search of Identity (New York: Harper and Row, 1978), p. 235.

32 Hamady, Temperament and Character of the Arabs, pp. 184-193; Patai, The Arab Mind, pp.147-150.

33 Joseph Malone, "Syria and the Six-Day War," Current Affairs Bulletin, Jan. 26, 1968, p. 80.

21 posted on 03/15/2002 10:30:30 AM PST by Gladwin
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To: ikanakattara
I suppose we sell them American weaponry because we like money, and they are nominally our allies. The article points out that getting Arabs to maintain their equipment is tough because of cultural reasons. So, in a war, I doubt they would be able to use it to any degree.
22 posted on 03/15/2002 10:39:12 AM PST by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
Something I found out onthe net, not sure of its authenticity, but I would bet the number has to be above 80% for certain...

FACT: 90%-95% OF ALL THE CONFLICTS ON THIS PLANET TODAY INVOLVE MUSLIMS FIGHTING NON-MUSLIMS OR EACH OTHER!

23 posted on 03/15/2002 10:47:11 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Mulder
Why Arabs Lose Wars

It a nutshell: They are stupid and incompetent. Also, the real God is not on their side, and their "Allah" sucks.

The article deals more with why they are stupid and incompetent. The South Vietnamese officers were stupid and incompetent, but no one would say Arab culture is similar to Vietnamese culture.

24 posted on 03/15/2002 10:58:11 AM PST by Gladwin
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To: HamiltonJay
Hmm.. not sure about that number because of southern Africa.
25 posted on 03/15/2002 11:00:15 AM PST by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
Well there are conflicts in Southern parts of africa, but I bet all numbers tallied, conflicts that involve Muslims will be in the 80% range... As I said, I don't know the exact numbers just found it on the web... someone here has to have a break down of all conflicts on the globe going on.
26 posted on 03/15/2002 11:08:59 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Gladwin
This is a valuable essay and without doubt a good summary, but...
I can't help wondering why on earth anyone would want to educate these savages about what ails them?
The Muslim shortcomings have been obvious since the Battle of Lepanto, if not sooner.

I realize that this was probably written many years ago when an "Arabist" had a different connotation than it does today.
The dynamics have changed. Although it is not probable that the habits and customs of culture will change any time soon, the last thing we need to do is to "train" Islam in the intricacies of a winning military strategy.
The stakes are starkly too great now.

27 posted on 03/15/2002 11:16:41 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Young Rhino
Why do they lose? Because 72 virgins isn't much of an incentive to fight or commit acts of terrorism when your religion prohibits your women from bathing.

Please, let's not oversimplify.
These killers are real and there are too many of them; and yes, they are still mainly killers.

They kill, burn, rape, pillage and loot mainly for the virgins they get here and now.
That hasn't changed. 20% of the loot is due to their god (through the Caliph), the other 80% is distributed among the invading army.
This is still central to the spread of Islam.

28 posted on 03/15/2002 11:21:32 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Gladwin
Thanks for the footnotes!
FR is awesome.
29 posted on 03/15/2002 11:23:53 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: SpaceBar
On one occasion, an American mobile training team working with armor in Egypt at long last received the operators’ manuals that had laboriously been translated into Arabic. The American trainers took the newly-minted manuals straight to the tank park and distributed them to the tank crews. Right behind them, the company commander, a graduate of the armor school at Fort Knox and specialized courses at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds ordnance school, collected the manuals from the crews. Questioned why he did this, the commander said that there was no point in giving them to the drivers because enlisted men could not read. In point of fact, he did not want enlisted men to have an independent source of knowledge.

Oh, the stories I could tell if only I had the time and the bandwidth.

30 posted on 03/15/2002 11:24:19 AM PST by TADSLOS
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To: TADSLOS
Oh, the stories I could tell if only I had the time and the bandwidth.

I do hope you find the time and have the inclination to provide many here with additional insight.
The reality of the Muslim world is stranger than fiction, but you won't find many dogoders taking the time or making the effort to look.

I also have the benefit of many personal friends who have spent years in Muslim countries, including Egypt.
The stories I have heard makes it crystal clear why the middle east muslims and Muslim countries in general are such a garbage pit of humanity.

31 posted on 03/15/2002 11:31:05 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Thorondir
I hope they, the Muslim savages we call Arabs, stay just this clueless, long enough for us to wipe them from the face of the earth.
32 posted on 03/15/2002 11:32:14 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Publius6961
Please, let's not oversimplify.

Not to be combative, but may I?

The above article says they cheat, have low integrity, are puffed up about rank and class structure they didn't earn, treat their enlisted like scum, are paranoid, lack character, and are cowards.

In short, everything Mohammad was, and Christ was not.

33 posted on 03/15/2002 11:35:10 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Publius6961
What is the reputation of the Turkish military in recent times? They are a part of NATO, aren't they? In any case, telling a Turk that he is an Arab is fightin' words!! :)

I agree with you about the sickness in the Ottoman Empire, starting in 1600 or so.

34 posted on 03/15/2002 11:45:38 AM PST by Gladwin
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To: Publius6961, TADSLOS
I've never been to the Middle East, so I can only get my information from reading and from TV. I am curious how accurate the characterisations are, in this article, and in general.
35 posted on 03/15/2002 11:49:15 AM PST by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
My experience is based on training and training with arab officers in the U.S. over the past 24 years. Suffice it to say that the aforementioned article is spot on.
36 posted on 03/15/2002 11:55:26 AM PST by TADSLOS
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To: Gladwin
Don't expect the Arab Army culture to change soon. It has not changed for over 2000 years. Alex the Great had a great time exploiting this culture of treachery, and mistrust within the Persian armies, and with their Allies. The Arabs however do have some talent, they make excellent terrorists, as we have tragically found out in 9.11.
37 posted on 03/15/2002 12:37:40 PM PST by desertcry
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To: Gladwin
An exquisite find, Gladwin. While a good reason for optimism, we must never lose sight that this is not going to be an easy victory.
38 posted on 03/15/2002 12:39:27 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: ikanakattara
Why are you so worried, they can't maintain those sophisticated weapons anyway. Those splended, and delicate weapons will be a pile of rust in a few months.
39 posted on 03/15/2002 12:46:07 PM PST by desertcry
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To: ikanakattara
Watching the History Channel's presentation on the F-14 (loving Modern Marvels week), I learned something I didn't know - it seems Jimmy Carter saw fit to sell the Iranians about 100 F-14s around 1978.

Not to worry, though. The silly buggers didn't find it necessary to buy any of the expensive, custom-made spare parts that would routinely need to be replaced. It seems there are now roughly 100 F-14 Tomcats sitting under a hangar somewhere, with cobwebs in the cockpits.

40 posted on 03/15/2002 1:31:10 PM PST by Palmetto
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