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Why Arabs Lose Wars
Paradox Internet Forum (Sweden) ^ | March, 2002 | Unknown

Posted on 03/14/2002 10:30:22 PM PST by Gladwin

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I found this article, unattributed, in another forum. Although it is lengthy, I feel it addresses some of the weaknesses of Arab culture without descending into Arab-bashing. Some of the issues raised are common in any large organization, so in some ways, the article says more about American military culture than about Arab culture.

I also like the point that an individual soldier's bravery can be defeated by bad leadership, and, paraphrasing, that morale is three times as important as equipment.

1 posted on 03/14/2002 10:30:22 PM PST by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
A long read, but worth it. There are a few jewels of insight.
2 posted on 03/14/2002 11:04:41 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Gladwin
Interesting article. I wonder who wrote it. I would be curious to see all the missing footnotes. But I wonder if it doesn't make one too complacent about the potential danger of Arab armies. Nor does it address the command and control issues of Arab terrorism.
3 posted on 03/14/2002 11:08:53 PM PST by My Identity
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To: Gladwin
Interesting article. I wonder who wrote it. I would be curious to see all the missing footnotes. But I wonder if it doesn't make one too complacent about the potential danger of Arab armies. Nor does it address the command and control issues of Arab terrorism.
4 posted on 03/14/2002 11:10:07 PM PST by My Identity
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To: Gladwin
Thank you for that splendid post.
5 posted on 03/14/2002 11:13:15 PM PST by Big Bunyip
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To: Gladwin
A fascinating article and well worth the longish read. It gives great insight to the arab “mind” and illustrates how so much of the culture is based on a general lack of trust, relies on deception, and displays very little empathy.

Unless this millennia old culture changes, which is highly unlikely, the social fracture that is so much a part of the arab world will continue to hold them back from joining the modern world.

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

6 posted on 03/14/2002 11:21:12 PM PST by End Times Sentinel
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To: Gladwin
I also like the point that an individual soldier's bravery can be defeated by bad leadership, and, paraphrasing, that morale is three times as important as equipment.=CLUELESS.

They are crummy fighters because they are uncivilized primitives in a modern civilized world.

Ignore the government and media mantra that Islam planes into buildings, slit women's throats, mutilate little girls and murder infants is the religion of peace. Violence, hatred, xenophobia and calls for our murder are the central message of the Koran. It is a book of hate and murder, with a few misleading side bars for peace thrown in so they can quote them to us stupid outsider infidels (it helps them if we smile and close our eyes before they murder us).

There are only two kinds of Muslims:
1) Those who follow the Koran now, and try to oppress and kill everyone else.
2) Those who quietly support the first group while helping to lull us to sleep.

It's time for human civilization to wake up and get as serious about our survival as the Mohammedan savages are about our annihilation!
Islam delenda est!
7 posted on 03/14/2002 11:30:51 PM PST by Thorondir
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Why do they lose? Because 72 virgins isn't much of an incentive to fight or commit acts of terrorism when your religion prohibits your women from bathing.
8 posted on 03/14/2002 11:46:23 PM PST by Young Rhino
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To: Gladwin
great post!
9 posted on 03/15/2002 12:49:48 AM PST by wafflehouse
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To: Thorondir
right on.. it seems to me that devout muslims are the
frothing at the mouth lunatics you see on the news, blowing up babycarriages and pizza places..
the 'moderate' american breed is either a corruption of the religion, or a good way to 'break the ice' with us natives. deception in relation to 'infidels' is a central tenet of their operational strategy, and they use it in liberal amounts.
10 posted on 03/15/2002 12:53:04 AM PST by wafflehouse
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To: Gladwin; watcher1
ping
11 posted on 03/15/2002 3:15:27 AM PST by STD
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To: Gladwin
There is a fundamental axiom here that IMO must be *seriously questioned.* WHAT are Arabs doing with US weapons systems anyway? WHY have we continued to sell them ANY weapons technology, especially after 9/11?
12 posted on 03/15/2002 5:28:05 AM PST by ikanakattara
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I'd be interested to read what this author would say about Al Qaida training, doctrine and network. They seem to have overcome some of these weaknesses as seen by the fact that they have Egyptians, Chechens, Uzbeks, Chinese and others working together in a unit.
13 posted on 03/15/2002 7:28:47 AM PST by Kermit
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To: Gladwin
bttt
14 posted on 03/15/2002 7:44:02 AM PST by Free the USA
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Good question. Bump this article for later read, in honor of a couple of my best ex-friends who are Arabs.
15 posted on 03/15/2002 7:46:17 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Gladwin
If readers liked this article, I recommend that you go to the website, where it's posted and read the comments on that forum. BTW, it's a game (Europa Universalis) website. The guy who posted this article lists his location as Constantinople and is Greek or maybe Turkish. He defends Arab culture, interesting.
16 posted on 03/15/2002 8:00:23 AM PST by Kermit
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I think that the al-Qaeda units, by virtue of their voluntary, multi-national and religious nature over come many of the hurdles of tribe and caste that afflict regular Arab armies. As historical precedent, there is the short-lived Arab Brigade during the fight for Iraq in WW II. Organized by a team of Brandenburgers (German commandos controlled by the Abwher), the Brigade had Islam and opposition to the British occupation as its organizing principles. Recruits came from all over the Middle East, provided by a recruiting network run by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - a former Ottoman officer and bitter foe of the English. Despite only a brief period in which to organize, the Brigade was able to fight toe-to-toe with the superb British led and trained Arab Legion (recruited from among Jordanian Bedouin). Among the Arab Brigade's more notable successes were the destruction of a Ghurka column sent to pursue it, and the daring capture of a number of British gunboats. Only when British air power became onerwhelming was the Brigade defeated. The best of the survivors were sent back to Germany for further training as commandos (most would subsequently spend the war in Greece, where the Arabs earned a reputation as superb, but brutal, light infantry).
17 posted on 03/15/2002 8:02:41 AM PST by Seydlitz
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To: Gladwin
Why Arabs Lose Wars

It a nutshell: They are stupid and incompetent.

Also, the real God is not on their side, and their "Allah" sucks.

18 posted on 03/15/2002 8:05:42 AM PST by Mulder
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To: OKSooner
Ex-friends, huh. What happened? Check out the website.
19 posted on 03/15/2002 8:05:53 AM PST by Kermit
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To: My Identity
I did a Google search this afternoon, and found the article here.

Here is the biography of the man who wrote the article:

The author, a retired U.S. Army colonel, draws upon many years of firsthand observation of Arabs in training to reach conclusions about the ways in which they go into combat. His findings derive from personal experience with Arab military establishments in the capacity of U.S. military attache and security assistance officer, observer officer with the British-officered Trucial Oman Scouts (the security force in the emirates prior to the establishment of the UAE), as well as some thirty years of study of the Middle East.~ Ed.

Norvell "Tex" de Atkine served eight years in Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt (in addition to extensive combat service in Vietnam). A West Pointer, he holds a graduate degree in Arab studies from the American University of Beirut. Currently he teaches at the JFK Special Warfare School at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina. See also his “The Political-Military Officer: Soldier Scholar or Cocktail Commando?” in American Diplomacy Vol. IV, No. 1 (Winter 1999)

20 posted on 03/15/2002 10:23:43 AM PST by Gladwin
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