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TRESPASSING CATTLE: Rancher gets fine, house arrest
The Las Vegas Review-Journal ^
| Tuesday, March 12, 2002
| SCOTT SONNER -- THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted on 03/12/2002 8:11:10 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
bttt
To: marsh2; dixiechick2000; Helen; Mama_Bear; poet; Grampa Dave; doug from upland; WolfsView...
Pinging the Klamath list.
Mail me if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
To: farmfriend
Stop Rural Cleansing!!!
To: farmfriend
A . . . uh . . . MOOOOOOOOOving demonstration?
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posted on
03/12/2002 8:41:04 AM PST
by
Phil V.
To: farmfriend
This rancher's lawyers need to see if U.S. District Judge Howard McKibben is an active or past card carrying/donor of any of the enviral organizations which detest ranchers and cattle.
If U.S. District Judge Howard McKibben is a card carrying enviral, this case should be thrown out of court.
No card carrying enviral fanatic posing as a judge should be allowed to be a judge on any case like this!
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To: Willie Green
As part owner of this land, I say we should sell it off to the ranchers. I don't know why I need to own so much land in the name of my government. Mr. Gardner has a good case for a lawsuit against us for allowing the fire hazard that nearly destroyed his ranch. Our management company should be fired.
To: The Westerner
Mr. Gardner has a good case for a lawsuit against us for allowing the fire hazard that nearly destroyed his ranch.Fire in nature is an Act of God.
The fedgov has sovereign immunity.
To: Grampa Dave
The judge is a total whacko in my book.
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posted on
03/12/2002 10:40:46 AM PST
by
B4Ranch
To: B4Ranch
You posted and all of us would agree:
The judge is a total whacko in my book.What is important re this whacko Judge and other whacko Judges, are they current or past card carrying enviralists. I bet that many are on the boards of enviral organizations, contribute to the enviral organizations and support their enviral rural cleansing agendas on and off the bench.
We would not allow a former or current KKK Judge to sit on a trial of KKKer's. Allowing an eviral judge to sit on the bench to pass rural cleansing judgments on targets of rural cleansing is a mistrial!
To: Grampa Dave
What would you think if the judge had a family member who sat on one of these groups as a Director? Should the judge be allowed to determine justice then?
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posted on
03/12/2002 11:48:31 AM PST
by
B4Ranch
To: B4Ranch
I believe that one of the female judges who has hammered some of the good Klamath people, is married to a college professor who is a key card carrying enviral. She should never sit in on a case where the case upholds an enviral agenda.
I think that they should recuse themselves from any case where an enviral agenda is key to the case if they or their spouse are key envirals.
To: Grampa Dave
Agreed!
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posted on
03/12/2002 1:04:34 PM PST
by
B4Ranch
To: farmfriend; 1Old Pro; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; a_federalist; abner; aculeus; alaskanfan...
Thanks for the ping. - Some are going to be double pinged here, but it is for the right cause :-)
Should we be suing to dissolve the National Forests? - Is there another way?
To: editor-surveyor
Stop Rural Cleansing...By Any Means Necessary.
Busting enviral judges couldn't be a bad start. ;^)
To: The Westerner
Give the damn land to the ranchers. Hell, they're the ones homesteading the land. The feds should have no say whatsoever over this land. The federal government wasn't supposed to own any land.
Give the government ownership and you'll see exactly the nonsense that's going on today. They're friggin loons.
Klamath fish, Idaho grizzleys, Pacific Coast Sand Flies, the government is totally out of control. If these laws were edicts of single individuals we'd say they were psychotic. Well, our government is psychotic.
To: editor-surveyor
I've read some books that say our courts were turned into admirality courts in 1938 in a trial involing the railroad. I've also read numerous articles saying that our courts are corportate courts and because of the numerous licenses/contracts we have entered into with the government, ie drivers licenses, hunting licenses, social security, marrage licenses, birth certificates, W2's and so on, we are seen as corporations of the government and tried under corporate law.
I've seen this stuff so often and from so many directions, I'm courious if anyone here knows if it's true. The BAR is an English organization, lawyers accept the title of Esquire from England. I've read the contracts between Ben Franklin and England for money to keep our country running after the Revolution, and read other contracts from other countries that we had borrowed money from for the same reason, that the king of England bought up.
I've also noticed in some reading that America is refered to as an experiment and never escaped Englands rule.
Other reading says that "incorporation" goes back before 400BC in Greece and that Ceasar made good use of it as has England.
Incorporation simply means the State has control. The Christians that were persecuted in Rome by Ceasar, were not persecuted because of who they worshipped but because they refused to get a license from the State (incorporation)to worship Jesus. This may appear to be off subject but could possibly be on target to what we are facing in America's courts today. Most of our Churches have been incorporated since the 50's Incorporation .
Have we ever escaped Englands rule?
I look hard for the Truth and try to share it, maybe someone can help on this issue.
It does appear that as American's we are being tried in the wrong "court".
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posted on
03/12/2002 4:30:17 PM PST
by
Eustace
To: Willie Green
Shoot, shovel and shutup. Works for living things other than bears.
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posted on
03/12/2002 5:00:26 PM PST
by
Leisler
To: editor-surveyor
Should we be suing to dissolve the National Forests? - Is there another way?We should keep them at about the 1980 level. Many of the land grabs were unjust. I have nothing against raesonable grazing rights and reasonable forestry management. IOW Don't overgraze the leased land and don't come in and clear off whole mountain sides and leave them barren. The persons downstream do not appreciate the floods from it. Old usage agreements made for National Forest should be honored by the DOI.
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